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M$ taking their ball and going home.
Liquidog:
The question is, can windows be packaged without all the extras that the states want removed? I'm not a programmer by any means, but I really can't see why a company with the technology and resources of MS can't figure out how to remove the cancer known as IE from their OS. If anything, I would think that offering Windows with a greater amount of options, such as whether or not to have Windows media player, would only help MS. People like to have the ability to decide what comes on their computers. Customization is a big selling point for lots of gadgets, and computers are no exception. MS should quit whining - I will not speculate on whether or not Ballmer was actually threatening anyone - and put some time and money into figuring out how to package a computer with a simple, bare bones style windows installation. Saying that they can't do that is basically saying that they don't want to, because they have the resources to figure out just about anything that would help their business. I know it seems wierd for MS to offer more than the usual options, (Get shafted a little or get shafted alot), but this is a golden opportunity for them to perhaps help their business, improve the quality of their product and enhance the image of their company by attempting to solve their problems rather than just refusing to even try. Another thing, this Ballmer guy sounds like an utter retard in his statement. As little as I know about programming and API's and all that, is it possible that he knows less? I'm a hardware guy. He's the CEO of MS, what's his excuse?
Calum:
you see, Ballmer knows nothing about software because... he's the CEO of M$!
Also, i really hope M$ dig their heels in about this. Yes you are right, they can include or exclude anyhting they want in their so called OS, it's just a matter of whether they want to. By saying they can't they are once more assuming that the entire world is incredibly stupid. Nothing new there then.
BUT if they dig in and continue to say that they can't do it, i reckon people are NOT too stupid to say "wait a minute, they wrote the damn thing, now they say they can't change it?" and everybody will start disliking M$.
This is happening. Just ask some people what they think of M$. some people won't like them. Imagine asking the same question 10 or 15 years ago!
The next stage is for somebody to offer an alternative.
Apple Computer have their product too expensive, and Sun are possibly going to fall into the old Atari trap of releasing stuff that's too good, too early and not advertising it at the right time.
Linux is the thing, but the company who seems to be making the most inroads at closing the user unfriendliness gap, MandrakeSoft SA, are now going bust.
Who knows who will win the next round? place yr bets!
Calum:
Just an amusing little aside here, nothing too big and serious...
quote:___ Verdict from Microsoft trial judge: 'No Acrobat' ______________
The district court judge currently presiding over the remedies proceedings hearings of the 'New York et al v. Microsoft' case told lawyers for both sides last week not to give her PDF files, alleging that Adobe Acrobat "doesn't work." Despite her personal judgment, PDF use is widespread in the U.S. federal court system -- including the judge's own District of Columbia courts.
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Brent:
There is of course, absolutely not reason why microsoft cant market a distro that is bare bones with no IE no media player ect. Except.. Is that what the general public wants? What would the OEM"S do? Sell computers with the "bare bones" OS to little old ladies with no clue how to install the software they want, or load them up.
As far as open source of any description working as a replacement for windows, it will never happen. I love linux too!!! But it is not now nor ever will be everyones OS. I dont believe it was ever meant to be. I know that virtually all of you will dissagree with me, but the biggest down fall as far as the general public is concerned is the fact that it is open source. Unfortunatly, the mindset of a lot of people on here reminds me of the old sociallist saying. "If someone drives a cadillac and I can only drive a ford escort, instead of me improving myself and working harder so I can get a cadillac, Take away their cadillac and make them drive a ford escort! " Before Linux can be considered a viable alternative to windows, (not for you or I) for the general public, it has a long way to go. There are many in the linux world who dont want it to get anymore user friendly for some reason. Many dont like GUI's for some reason. Some would sooner just use a command line. There has to be someone, perhaps a linux equivelent of BIG BAD BILL take the helm and get some consistancy and order. Idealism is great. Realism works.
It took me over 2 weeks to learn how to use Mandrake in the most basic way. I dont consider myself a stupid person. Most of my aquaintences simply throw in the towel at first glance after its loaded.."what the fuck do i do now?" I had the patients to read the manuals, fuck up a few times, try again. I loaded mandrake 3 times before I finally got a version I liked (expert mode believe it or not} Mot of the general public doesnt have the time or patients to do that. Everything has been said over and over and over on these forums. This is only a repeat of what someone else has said.
Most people including me, dont live, eat, shit and breath computers. Ive been a bit more than usual lately, because im on days off and its colder than hell here.. And im bored.........
Master of Reality:
they should let ms (or somebody else) make a special "DA" series for their OS, "DA" standing for dumbass. They can sell it to those li'l old ladies who dont know the first clue about anything to do with computers, it should come with a browser and word processing shit and include the necessaties.
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