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lazygamer

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« on: 19 October 2002, 21:55 »
I had finally burnt Redhat 8 on CD, only thing left was to install it(and check out whether this new RH was a joke or not, and whether n00bs like me have something to fear). Checked the release notes on the CD for a moment, I was suprised to see Redhat 7.3 as the title. Ok scary, but surely they just didn't include RH8 notes? Boot time, OMG the install screen says Redhat 7.3!!!

Now I release that I was duped! Those dumb Redhat dudes must of included a RH7.3 mirror amidst their RH8 mirrors.  :(  :(  :(

Is it my fault, did I accidently choose the wrong download section? Thank god I use ADSL and CD-RW's, but it still is very frustrating to have happen to you.
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« Reply #1 on: 19 October 2002, 10:11 »
most of the links to mirrors drop you off down below the actual ISO in the hierarchy. YOu probly used an old mirror and lcicked on "current" or click on 7.3 because you are stupid. If it shows just the names for the distros make sure you get psyche.
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« Reply #2 on: 19 October 2002, 10:12 »
Pardon me, but, how the HELL do you figure it's Red Hat's fault that YOU, THE USER downloaded the WRONG ISO? Sheesh.

Hey, look how shitty my blender is! I stuck my finger inside and then put it on full power, and it cut my finger all up! HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO ME?!

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« Reply #3 on: 19 October 2002, 10:29 »
It is the blender company's fault if the blade suddenly goes flying off the spindle and chops my finger, because it wasn't fastened properly at the factory.

I am expressing lament that my time was wasted, when it appears to me that they may of done some sloppy bookeeping.

If you look under the downloads section, you'll notice that there is no link to download redhat 7.3. They were smart enough to remove that because Redhat 8.0 is the current version.

Now what I must of done is clicked on the mirrors section, assuming they would all be Redhat 8. I did this because I assumed the download Redhat 8 part would be a direct download from Redhat.com, and thus slow(so why bother?).

In order to save my ass and make MOR and Quirk look wrong, I had to do some detective work.  ;)

It appears that the "download Redhat 8" really does link to the redhat FTP server, and not a list of mirrors. To find the mirrors list, you have to scroll to the bottom of the page under "related links". The mirrors section has no mention of redhat 7.3 OR redhat 8.0 formats.

I feel this concludes that it's not my fault. However, I know now that Valhalla is RH7.3 and Psyche is RH8. I just wish they would of warned of all mirrors not being up to date, and that the latest version is called Psyche. I mean how am I susposed to know that about the names, im just a n00b.

BTW, why do they call them Psyche and Valhalla?
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« Reply #4 on: 19 October 2002, 10:31 »
I'm pretty damn sure they include those names on the ISO images. Why didn't you read them? Sheesh.

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« Reply #5 on: 19 October 2002, 10:42 »
Your right, they do include the names. But they don't say the version, they say the codename(which I assume this must be what it is). Like I assumed that "Valhalla" was not a version codename, but... something Redhat added for some weird reason.  ;)
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« Reply #6 on: 19 October 2002, 11:26 »
Lol, it's both my fault and Redhat's fault. I guess im quite a dumb-dumb at times, let us hope RH8 is even better then Mandrake.

After going through link after link of Vahalla mirrors, something caught my mind. What about changing the FTP path from 7.3 to 8.0? Sure enough, it worked! Psyche baby! Obviously Redhat did not update their mirror links, while their mirrors did. Guess i'll have to complain to Redhat.

Hmmm, this is ironic, first 8.0 link and it's going at 127K per second! But what is this... FIVE DISKS?! What happened to 3 disks? I don't see anything detonating source disks, so I guess I need grab them all?
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« Reply #7 on: 19 October 2002, 11:36 »
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
Hmmm, this is ironic, first 8.0 link and it's going at 127K per second! But what is this... FIVE DISKS?! What happened to 3 disks? I don't see anything detonating source disks, so I guess I need grab them all?


Yeah, I know, 3 disks is a lot. It said 2 of them were RPMS, so I guess there are huge amounts of programs included.

And unless you plan on blowing up your source code, it's denoting   :D

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« Reply #8 on: 19 October 2002, 11:49 »
If it drops me at the command line after installing like it did in RH7.3, it's gonna get detonated.  
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« Reply #9 on: 19 October 2002, 15:47 »
lol@zombie. You have a good point, but Linux has tons of large(large doesn't always mean bloated, some stuff must be large) and not-so large free software included. Redhat goes overboard, let's hope they did a better job with the package selection options.

I mean wind0ze fits on one disk, but you only get fucking solitare and minesweeper.  

However, for a non bloated OS(not the extra applications, the actual OS) Linux still is pretty large. Isn't the Linux kernel 16mb of sourcecode? Of course that's probably a pointless fact, no one knows the uncompiled size of Windows's source code, so you can't compare them.
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« Reply #10 on: 19 October 2002, 16:20 »
Well assuming the pro Linux arguments are true, you could conclude that:

1)Windows is only it's current size due to bloat, it could actually be much smaller.
2)Linux on the other hand, is as large if not larger, but crams in all sorts of non bloated stuff that makes it more powerful, stable etc. but can't avoid being overly large.

Linux surely cannot be bloated. Linux is susposed to have a massive kernel, this is dangerous for a proprietary OS and is avoided. Due to it's open source aspect, people can track down and fix all the problems from it's size. So you get the extra power from a large kernel, without all the hassles. If this is not true, then Linux would not have had an out of control growth cycle... because no one would use it.

As for your browser point, im amazed that you don't know the answer to this question. I certainly do(and im a n00b who can barely use that damn thing), oh might as well brag and show my competence.

In windows 98 and onwards you cannot uninstall Internet Explorer. In Linux you can use a file browser or a net browswer... well in Gnome anyways, I can't remember about KDE. You can uninstall Konquerer and Galeon anyways. Internet Explorer has alot of problems, so this damages the reliability(and security) of the operating system because you MUST use it to browse for files.

You are right in theory, why can Microsoft do one thing, and Linux get away with doing that same thing? That's because double standards aren't always evil, sometimes there is a reason for the standards. If Microsoft gave you the option to uninstall IE and use Windows Explorer, in addition to having an awesome browser(if you MUST be stuck with IE all the time), they would be excused.

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« Reply #11 on: 19 October 2002, 16:20 »
whoopdeedoo, windows comes with notepad and some card games. oh yes and minesweeper.

install a 3 CD set of linux mandrake (like i did) and you could conceivably never have to install anything ever again to do everything you ever wanted to do. let's see how far you get with windows if you promise yourself never to install anything else on top of it.

i seriously cannot believe you made this ill informed a comment, zombie356452, and you think i am unjustified when i call you a dumbass?
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« Reply #12 on: 19 October 2002, 16:35 »
right so let's see.

you have 3 cds full of stuff. these CDs can just hold everything you will ever need, with no room on for anything else.

I have 3 CDs full of stuff. these CDs contain everything i will ever need PLUS shitloads of other stuff PLUS alternative programs for most things (several office suites, severla browsers and so on) and that's my CDs filled up.

Now. think to yourself, which is the more bloated system. The one where you can fit on all the stuff you would need to use, or the one where you could fit on all that AND a bunch of stuff you might want to use but may never have time to because you already have a huge CHOICE of software to pick from.

Give me a CHOICE anyday.

what's wrong with choice anyway? all the windoids i have seen on here recently seem to think choice is a bad thing.
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« Reply #13 on: 19 October 2002, 16:40 »
Screw Mandrake, install all the programs on those 5 disks of Redhat. Now that's what I call nerd heaven!  

-Lazygamer, who still can't get over the fact that Redhat 7.3 was stuffed with programs, and suddenly they need 2 more disks(and that second disk is full to the brim to boot!) just to include all the stuff they coulden't include on 3 disks.  :D
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« Reply #14 on: 19 October 2002, 17:16 »
that's your choice. you choose freedom from choice, and i choose freedom of choice.

i choose choice, you choose slavery (which i think is a little ironic).

well i think that unless you have more than one take on any situation, you cannot know any better than to use the one thing you have always used.

this is why two or more desktop managers is a good qidea. this is why having mozilla AND galeon AND netscape AND konqueror installed is a good idea. it's why you might want to try out Kmail AND Evolution and so on. So you can make an informed choice.

By making the CDs you describe yourself, you have already chosen what software to put on there, but say you were to (as mandrake do) put together a 'showcase' CD of your OS that could cater for the needs of almost everybody, not just yourself, you would realistically need to include many different styles of similaq rproducts since people all work differently from each other and need different tools for the same, or similar jobs.

Not all text editors are the same. Not all CD burning GUI programs are the same. All were created because the developers felt that the existing programs could do something better or needed something added.

Now this discussion is pissing in the wind, because you prefer the mainstream bullshit of windows.

myself, i prefer to have a CHOICE. what i choose is not important to anybody but me, but if we don't have a choice, then we may as well not hae a mind.
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