Red Hat 8 is sweet

[Doogee]

Well i finally took the plunge, after a few months of dual booting with windows and mandrake (used to be Red Hat 7.3 before drake) i am now totally windows free, not a drop of it anywhere on my computer.

I can tell ya it feels damn good    


Red Hat 8 is sweet as, looks so slick lookin. As usual ADSL is working nicely due to my eth0 being detected on install.

GET FUCKIN RED HAT 8 IF YOU DONT YET HAVE IT!!!

[ November 26, 2002: Message edited by: -=Doogee=- ]

[Doctor V]

Agreed, Red Hat 8 rocks.  Its not as easy as Mandrake, but much better in the long run.  As for ASDL, I already had Redhat installed before I got my ASDL modem.  Hooked up the modem, opened up Mozilla, went to the web page I wanted to.  Easy as that, didn't have to do anything.  Still have win2K on another partition cause of the gf, but I'm working on that one.

V

[preacher]

quote:Originally posted by Comrade Doctor V: Linux Pusher:
Agreed, Red Hat 8 rocks.  Its not as easy as Mandrake, but much better in the long run.  

Here's a question. Why is it better in the long run? Mandrake has shown me rock solid stability, and a great deal of application support, not to mention ease of use. In fact the original Mandrake was based on Red Hat. Both are based on the same kernel and use a great deal of the same applications. If you are more experienced with the command line, Mandrake can do everything there just as well. Mandrake wasnt always the best linux distro, but especially with the last 2 releases, 8.2 and 9, it has really proved itself.

You can honestly tell me that using say Mozilla 1 on Red Hat linux using kernel 2.4.19 and kde3 is better than Mozilla 1 on Mandrake using kernel 2.4.19 and kde3 or SuSe, or Slackware, or any number of other linux distros.

[Doogee]

Well the stability part is debatable.

Theres just less Bugs in red hat, nuff said. In mandrake they load bullshit kernel headers etc. i dont know this means but it stuffed me up with vmware and winex. I just find red hat more polished, less buggy etc, thats about it really.

[Doctor V]

Red Hat just seems to run more smoothly than mandrake.  Runs a bit faster.  and generally has more up to date packages.  It also has slightly better multi language support.  Its much easier to switch between languages.  I also couldn't get plugger to work for the life of me in mandrake, but with red hat it workd fine.  Granted that could be my fault.  I'm not saying that Red Hat is way better than mandrake, its mostly just a collection of small things.

[Doogee]

quote:Originally posted by Comrade Doctor V: Linux Pusher:
Red Hat just seems to run more smoothly than mandrake.  Runs a bit faster.  and generally has more up to date packages.  It also has slightly better multi language support.  Its much easier to switch between languages.  I also couldn't get plugger to work for the life of me in mandrake, but with red hat it workd fine.  Granted that could be my fault.  I'm not saying that Red Hat is way better than mandrake, its mostly just a collection of small things.

TOTALLY agreed, i would never say i dont like mandrake, excellent distro, red hat just runs nicer

[pkd_lives]

I actually just went from mandrake to Red Hat. I have found that mount and umount work more reliably in Red Hat, of course I'm still absolute beginner, but Red Hat also has less bloat. Not that I am dissing Mandrake, I still think it's the better distro as a desktop, but I think I prefer RH, but I do dual boot, the g/f uses mandrake and I am going to use RH. Mandrake feels as though it's heading for the GUI arena, whereas I am a GUI hater. It's all preference, that is what we bitch about most, not having the choice of a different O/S.

But lets not bicker and argue about who killed who - this is meant to be a happy occassion.

[Calum]

umount and mount work fine in mandrake. the problem is that mandrake rudely installs and enables 'supermount'. This program cannot handle normal use of the mount and umount commands, and you can safely su to root and 'supermount --disable' (i think, best do 'supermount --help' to check first). This will render your fstab back into a usable format and will enable all mounting to work as expected.

[pkd_lives]

well bugger me sideways. Didn't realise that. Thanks.

But that is the point. RH doesn't have this 'friendly' stuff to the same degree, and why it's becoming my preference.

Still like I say there is lots to learn, and I have other distros to try out, once I get the hang of Linux truly, I may decide that Evil Entity Linux is the one and only true distribution for me... then again.

[Calum]

on the other hand, my girlfriend still doesn't understand the mount thing, compared to windows which 'just does it'. And myself i think that linux ought to have an easy to use automounter that WORKS. windows does it, so why can't linux?

i still do not know of an automounter that works as well as windows at enabling you to transparently mount and unmount CDs and floppies. it is a major failing in linux in my opinion, and no wonder mandrake try to fill the gap, however whether it makes it better or worse is up to the flip of a coin i think.

[flap]

I don't think effective auto-unmounting of floppies is really possible, as you couldn't have an unmounter that knew when you were about to remove a disk. In Windows there is no 'sync'ing of file system buffers with removable media because it just physically writes to the floppy everytime you perform a write operation. The only way to make Linux more windows-like would be for the system to mount, write to/read from, and then unmount the disk every time you accessed it.

[Calum]

i have thought about that before right enough.

there's bound to be a way to get the system to write straight onto the floppy as you change the information, in the same way that windows does, but if there is, i haven't heard of it... would the solution be to write directly to /dev/fd0 ? i don't think so, for a couple of reasons, not the least of which is how to get the save buttons in programs (like openoffice) to comply. actually, now i think about it, i could just make /mnt/floppy into a symlink to /dev/fd0 instead of mounting it there... what's wrong with this?

the only other thing is, i don't suppose this could be made user specific... so that one user could do it the windows way, and one could mount and unmount normally.

[Bazoukas]

i dunno guys, i never had problems mounting and unmounting drives in RedHat, even when doing it via GUI.

 Doing  config tweaks in fstab to have my second drive mounted automaticaly was a bit tricky but nothing too bad.

[flap]

There is a 'sync' mounting option you can add to your /etc/fstab floppy entry which will force the system to sync on every write.

[preacher]

quote:Originally posted by Comrade Doctor V: Linux Pusher:
Red Hat just seems to run more smoothly than mandrake.  Runs a bit faster.  and generally has more up to date packages.  It also has slightly better multi language support.  Its much easier to switch between languages.  I also couldn't get plugger to work for the life of me in mandrake, but with red hat it workd fine.  Granted that could be my fault.  I'm not saying that Red Hat is way better than mandrake, its mostly just a collection of small things.

Odd, when I ran Red Hat, the exact opposite was true. Mandrake is just a lot better than Red Hat. It is faster, and in my experience more stable. This goes to show you that on a case to case scenario, things are different. Ive never had any trouble with plugger, and since I only speak english, the language thing isn't my concern.

Truth be told Im not 100% satisfied with any of the linux distros Ive tried. It seems that they are always missing something or they have small problems. The problems have less to do with the OS, and more to do with the fact that Im very picky. When I didn't know anything about linux, I couldnt get sound working in Red Hat, but it worked in Mandrake. So I guess you could say Im loyal. Ive had only a few small problems with Mandrake, but those were mostly caused by my ignorance.

Us linux people need to stop squabbling amongst themselves over distros, and realize that we are all the same.