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« on: 19 March 2002, 08:58 »
Hey,

I'm using Mandrake 8.1 on a dual boot with win98.
I have a couple problems that I'm pretty sure are inter-related. Wonder if anyone has a possible solution.

The problems are with every browser (Mozilla 0.9.4, Netscape, Galeon and Konqueror) I am having this problem in Mandrake. Alot of the time I have to click a link or bookmark 3 or 4 times before it will go through. It looks like it is trying but the modem is doing nothing.

Also I can't get download speeds higher than 2k per second (usually alot less) in any of the browsers or in ftp.

Under Windows I use Mozilla 0.9.9 and I don't have the clicking problem or the download problem. I have a dialup connection that will only connect at 28800 max because of these ancient phone lines we have, but I can do 3.6-4.2K per second downloads.

Additionally when both my wife and I are on the net she says her internet speeds run about half as fast when I am using Mandrake as when I am using windows even if I am not using the net. I don't notice any difference in internet speeds between the 2 OS's on my comp. When I can get the click to go through they both work well.

Ok so it seems obvious that something in the mandrake setup is not quite right but I haven't a clue what it could be. Does anyone have any ideas as to what might be the problem?

Also one thing more I forgot to mention. If I restart my network it will work perfectly for clicks for about half an hour then go back to the repetitive clicks problem. The other problems don't change after a network restart.

[ March 19, 2002: Message edited by: Centurian ]

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« Reply #1 on: 19 March 2002, 10:02 »
When you click on the link/bookmark dit you notice if there was a "Sending Request" type note show up on the status type bar on the bottom of the browser?
This should be followed by a "recieving data" kind of responce from the site.

http is a request response protocol so determinining when the problem occurs will be important...ie does the request go through or not...check network connectivity....vs no response...server problems or timeout.
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« Reply #2 on: 19 March 2002, 15:47 »
never trust the download speeds reported by windows .......

If I were to believe them my cable modem could reach speeds in excess of 700kb/sec (which is technically impossible with my given bandwidth)

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« Reply #3 on: 20 March 2002, 07:37 »
Hey,

dbl221,

Yes send is going out. I have an external modem and I can watch the lights to see.

What makes it so strange is that when I restart the network, clicking works fine for a little while.

BadKarma,

I don't trust Windows (IE) download speeds either but I use Mozilla and I have checked it with a calculator. It is accurate.
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« Reply #4 on: 20 March 2002, 08:08 »
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Additionally when both my wife and I are on the net she says her internet speeds run about half as fast
 


of course, if you are both on the net at the same time, the bandwith is split in half between the two of you...(if you are using the same connection)
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« Reply #5 on: 20 March 2002, 08:14 »
Hey,

 
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Originally posted by Druaga:


of course, if you are both on the net at the same time, the bandwith is split in half between the two of you...(if you are using the same connection)


You missed my point on this one. Her surfing runs about half as fast if I have Mandrake running at all (even if I am not on the net). If I am on the net also then we of course share the bandwidth and she surfs runs slower than I do.

If however I am running Windows then we surf at about the same speed.
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« Reply #6 on: 20 March 2002, 21:12 »
Hey,

OK this is f*cking weird.

After doing some testing I found this.

The above mentioned problems exist if I am using KDE, WindowMaker or Sawfish very bad.

Using Gnome the click problem improves some but not completely.

Using ICEWM, Enlightment or BlackBox the problems don't exist.
I would say that it is some incompatibility with my system and those windowsmanagers.
Obviously I will not be using KDE any longer.  

Any ideas as to why this might be the case?
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« Reply #7 on: 20 March 2002, 13:14 »
haven't a clue, but it reminds me of my sticky mouse problem.

I have a touchpad, and sometimes it sticks on one place in the screen like rubber. I can move it, but when i let go the pad, it springs back where it came from.
Also when i click something while it's acting up. like a menu, the menu appears only to instantly disappear, so i have to logout (or shutdown), using the keyboard, and login again to get it working.

The odd think about this is that it happened in windows ME and also in windows 98... but it also happens in kfm, Sawfish, and Enlightenment sometimes!

So it's a hardware problem, if it happens so much across the board? no! because if it were, it would persist when i restart, but a restart usually fixes it, if not, another restart hot on the heels of the first one always does.

I can't help you with the problem btw but just thought i'd share my own weird stuff experiences so you know yr not alone!  ;)
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« Reply #8 on: 20 March 2002, 19:27 »
Hey Calum,

That one you mentioned would bug the shit out of me too.
Anyway nice to know I am not the only finding bugs.
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« Reply #9 on: 22 March 2002, 22:54 »
Hey,

I finally figured it out. I was playing around with different setups and removed the KDE window manager. Instantly my system is running like a dream. All the above problems are gone. Further Galeon no longer has problems with .org websites. I am using the Gnome and Galeon right now and it is screaming. Once loaded Gnome is actually faster than W98. Of course boot up and log in are still not to quick.

Something in the KDE was slowing down everything. Maybe it was that stupid KDE version of GDM I don't know.

Oh BTW the KDE games still work great.

So if anyone else is having any of these problems  under Mandrake 8.1 I highly recommend removing the KDE.
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« Reply #10 on: 23 March 2002, 02:24 »
quote:
Originally posted by Centurian:
Hey,

I finally figured it out. I was playing around with different setups and removed the KDE window manager. Instantly my system is running like a dream. All the above problems are gone. Further Galeon no longer has problems with .org websites. I am using the Gnome and Galeon right now and it is screaming. Once loaded Gnome is actually faster than W98. Of course boot up and log in are still not to quick.

Something in the KDE was slowing down everything. Maybe it was that stupid KDE version of GDM I don't know.

Oh BTW the KDE games still work great.

So if anyone else is having any of these problems  under Mandrake 8.1 I highly recommend removing the KDE.
If you're feeling adventurous, give LibraNet 2.0 a try.  It uses Rieser FS as default, so it boots a hell of a lot faster.  KDE is a rocket, but if you want serious speed, use XFCE3 with Galeon, it just blows IE 5.5 away!  It comes with an absolute SHITHOUSE of games, and it auto-config's your CD burner at install.  I LOVE IT!!
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« Reply #11 on: 23 March 2002, 03:22 »
I had the same problem with an optical mouse a while back... if i touched the side of the screen it would stick to it... i could move it away but it would scream right back. Make sure you dont have anything touching the pad on startup... (kinda like with an n64 - it orients itself on startup, and if you hold the analog to the side it recognizes that as the center.) That might help if you haven't figured it out yet.

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« Reply #12 on: 23 March 2002, 04:14 »
Hey,

 
quote:
Originally posted by creedon:
If you're feeling adventurous, give LibraNet 2.0 a try.  It uses Rieser FS as default, so it boots a hell of a lot faster.  KDE is a rocket, but if you want serious speed, use XFCE3 with Galeon, it just blows IE 5.5 away!  It comes with an absolute SHITHOUSE of games, and it auto-config's your CD burner at install.  I LOVE IT!!


If I had a fast internet connection I would check it out. I am thinking about ordering a few other versions from LinuxCentral or Cheapbytes Maybe I will add Libranet to the list.

I don't know if it is KDE, Mandrake or my hardware but for me KDE is more like a very heavy rock than a rocket.

XFCE is awesome. I love the way it runs.
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« Reply #13 on: 23 March 2002, 08:32 »
what version of KDE is it running?

i use KDE 2.2.2 on suse 7.3 and have no difference with any browsers between that and Win2k.... didnt have any problems with 2.2.1 which is suse 7.3s installed version.
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« Reply #14 on: 23 March 2002, 08:55 »
Hey,

 
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Originally posted by kinky:
what version of KDE is it running?

i use KDE 2.2.2 on suse 7.3 and have no difference with any browsers between that and Win2k.... didnt have any problems with 2.2.1 which is suse 7.3s installed version.


I think it was 2.2.1 I have removed it completely from my system now. Anyway it is the version that comes with Mandrake 8.1
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