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« on: 27 August 2002, 06:47 »
Here is simple HTML which works fine (WIDTH TAG of TD element) in Mozilla, IE, Netscape but not in Opera. Where is that lovers of standards on Internet attacking Opera? I don't hear your voices.

<HTML>
<body>
<table width="100%" border="1">
<tr>
<td colspan><font size = 30>Site Information</font></TD><TD colspan =2>Extra Info</TD>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="20%">Menu</td>
<td valign="top" colspan=2>Main window</td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</HTML>
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« Reply #1 on: 27 August 2002, 08:26 »
I don't know about the width tag in Oprah but I see absolutely no need for any of the colspan tags in this example. Reminds me of something FrontPage would spit out...
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« Reply #2 on: 27 August 2002, 08:36 »
Actual example is much more complicated (i have a third row with 3 different size cells).
I just cut it it down where this absurd behavior occurs. And thank you I don't use FrontPage, my favourire editor is Notepad.
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« Reply #3 on: 27 August 2002, 08:49 »
That's good, you get extra credit for using notepad over FrontPage (seriously). If you haven't tried it (maybe you have), you might learn to like "vim" or "gvim" for Windows. It makes a very good HTML, ASP, PHP, Perl, C, etc, editor.

It may seem a little cryptic at first but it makes life much easier once you learn it. It has syntax highlighting that helps you quickly spot errors in your code as you type it. It has very powerful editing capabilities. You probably have used it, but I would suggest giving it a second chance if you have some spare time to play with it:

http://www.vim.org/

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« Reply #4 on: 27 August 2002, 08:58 »
Well, I like convenience and coding in Notepad is not my favourite (I'm talking .NET coding, c#, etc) apart from plain HTML.
I'll be missing Intellisense, Watch windows, Debugger, Object Viewer etc.
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« Reply #5 on: 27 August 2002, 12:22 »
try 1st Page 2000, it color codes the text so it's easy to look at and analyze  
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« Reply #6 on: 27 August 2002, 14:52 »
quote:
Warnings

    * Warning: No Character Encoding detected! To assure correct validation, processing, and display, it is important that the character encoding is properly labeled. Further explanations.

Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an SGML parser.

      Fatal Error: no document type declaration; will parse without validation

      I could not parse this document, because it uses a public identifier that is not in my catalog.

      You should make the first line of your HTML document a DOCTYPE declaration, for example, for a typical HTML 4.01 document:

      <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
      <HTML>
   <HEAD>
     <TITLE>Title</TITLE>
   </HEAD>

   <BODY>
     <-- ... body of document ... -->
   </BODY>
      </HTML>

Sorry, I can't validate this document.


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« Reply #7 on: 27 August 2002, 15:39 »
Erm...pardon my ignorance, but did Refalm just prove the code nonstandard?
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« Reply #8 on: 27 August 2002, 16:55 »
I don't know what 1st Page 2000 is but it doesn't sound like an Open Source app to me. In fact it sounds a lot like an M$ app. Have they been harrassed by M$ like Lindows has? I doubt it, and it would be pretty obvious why.
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« Reply #9 on: 27 August 2002, 21:32 »
About Mozilla. I think it's actually better then Opera(as a whole), but I've been to the odd page that displays some silly behavior that im certain I woulden't get in IE. Would I have to tweak something to make Mozilla more compatible, or am  stuck with a Mozilla that has a little trouble once in awhile?

Strangely, it seemed to me the Opera is less prone to "silly pages" then Mozilla.
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« Reply #10 on: 27 August 2002, 22:28 »
First of all, I do not like opera. Just because they make a linux version doesnt mean that all linux fans will instantly praise it. If you are a web designer then you know that opera has difficulty rendering almost every thing. I couldnt figure out(and still cant) why Opera wouldnt show a certain link that I had on my page. I mean come on, hyperlinks have been part of the web standard since the beginning, how can you get that wrong? My browser of choice for linux is Mozilla because it can do 99% of what IE can do. I like using Konqueror too because its more stable than mozilla (i need to upgrade to 1.0).
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« Reply #11 on: 27 August 2002, 23:36 »
I loved Opera until I switched to Linux and started using Mozilla.  Even still, I use Opera when I boot Win98.
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