A defence to a form of the TCPA?

[lazygamer]

Wow, yep you are a redneck Spork.  

I can tell because of how pro-american you are.

[sporkme]

im not sure that 750 ml is considered a fifth here

i believe a fifth is a fifth of a US gallon

the bottle looks about the same size as a 750ml bottle

usually there are half-pints, pints, fifths, liters, half gallons, and gallons

i wish we could switch to the metric system in the US

[beltorak0]

I agree that some of the ideas in the articles are misgiuded. Taking the net back from the corporations should be our first priority.  M$, RIAA, Doubleclick, you name it. One of the important themes in the articles is preventing a corporation like M$ from securing both the content and the means of trafficking the content.  I don't think this is sufficient, especially given the level of power and disregard for US laws that M$ has.  Not to mention the complacency that M$ has engineered in the computer using body (people accepting crappy software as just another fact of life).

Shutting off the EU into a form of the TCPA would be a mistake; one of the greatest things about the net is its ability to unify a group of people across the world.  The flow of information would be stiffled.

The constitution doesn't have anything over the TCPA; can you seriously believe that the US founding fathers ever dreamed of such things as time-shifting entertainment?  If they wanted to hear a song, they would have to find a preformer.  People are trying to use the 1st ammendment to defend a great many things that it is really unsuited for.  It is time for a few new additions to our great US constitution.  We've done it before.  It was designed for it.

As the articles stated, there is a disfunctional view of laws in the US; US citizens expect any new law to come out to strip us further of power and freedom.  I think it is well past time to change our thinking.  We, as concerned citizens of the governed body, need to take an active part in legislation to ensure that our freedoms are preserved.  There is someone who is doing that now: US Rep. Rick Boucher (D-VA). see his page at  http://www.house.gov/boucher/welcome.htm . follow the 'Legislative Information' and 'Internet and Technolgy Initiatives' links for information about what he is for.  You can also take a look at the following register articles:
 http://www.theregus.com/content/archive/25540.html
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/23587.html
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/20839.html
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/13553.html

If everyone expresses thier concern about TCPA, DMCA, CDBTPA, and UCITA, who knows what could happen?  we might get a few laws that are actually of the people, for the people, and by the people.  who knows?

-t.

[sporkme]

im no good with politicians

the dirty (clinton) corporations built the internet

now they exploit it

if people are too stupid to notice or don't care, it's simply a (minor) poverty of the human condition.  if we want them to care WE have to reach them

US government control alone is not the answer

also...
if the US controls the net many (not all) euros will accuse us of being totalitarian and fight us (read: iraq)

if the US does nothing, we will be accused of being
isolationist and not caring about world issues.  (read: kyoto treaty)

damned if ya do, danmed if ya dont

[beltorak0]

clinton corporations started the net? I thought it started in circa 69 with ARPAnet.... despite Al Gore's claim to have invented the whole thing.... As for the WWW; it was started by Tim Berners-Lee, an Englishman, and made availible to the world in 91.

it is the EU that he was considering taking the isolationist stance (either you comply with our version of tcpa, or you won't do anything with any of our servers).

reaching the masses (which will require education) will take time.  great things start with the acts of a single man.  How would recent US history look if Dr. Martin Luther King waited for his first 100,000 followers before speaking out about racial injustice?

Politicians are corrupt, granted, but shouldn't we try to take a hand in writing laws before someone else (read RIAA, Microsoft, et al) writes them to trample our rights?

-t.

[ August 28, 2002: Message edited by: beltorak0 ]

[sporkme]

they did not start it, but one cannot deny that over the past 8 years the internet really bacame the massive network, with everything anyone could possibly want.

without the dirty fuckers' money, we would not have this

the problem is that they are dirty... the net is fine

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as for legislation, i am not the man for that particular job... i have a way of torching bridges and making myself look like an ass.  a lot of people dont like my opinions, and i dont suffer idiots well.  i would gladly contribute, and i can be a leader, but i would really just piss them all off

[TU]

i don't understand why describing how to make a gun bullets and how to shoot it is legal. but giving someone the sourcecode to a program that gives you a root shell thruough SSH isn't.

[rtgwbmsr]

It's because the lawyers are still writing laws for stuff invented 50 years ago (I guessed on that one). They need to catch up ASAP, or shit like that will be legal forever.

[beltorak0]

what it boils down to is that information can be copied and distributed freely with virtually no production cost.  You can tell a hundred people how to hack a ssh, and the can tell a hundrend more, then 10,000 people can hack a ssh.  Print out a detailed manual on how a gun works, and how to kill with one, and each person has to buy a gun, and at least one bullet....

The entertainment dictators have hated every method of time / space shifting content since the 8 track came out.  When it was discovered that analogue copies degrade after a time, they backed off.  cd's cost around $.12 - $1.50 to make, yet they cost more than records did when LP's were the hottest thing.  why? and why has the price never come down?

And then cd-r's came out....  now they bitch because digital copies never degrade (beyond media damage).  So they start the evil things like DMCA, CDBTPA, and TCPA.  Everyone thinks that TCPA will be the vehical for pushing DRM down our throats, but it's the other way around I assure you.  DRM will be the reason for foisting the TCPA upon us, and then controlling every asprect of our computers.  DRM is not the end, but mearly the means.

< /rant>

-t.

[sporkme]

yeah, sure sucks to be the napster guys

and will soon suck to be affiliated with gnutella (morpheus, etc.)

the big picture:  GREED ...dammit

greed, nothing but, and plenty of it.  these shitfucks care not about the things they claim to protect... musicians, creativity, intellectual property... they care about FUCKING MONEY and it is blood on the hands of totalitarian - syphallis - hosting - cumguzzling - peter - puffing - genocidal - money - grubbing - facist - poindexter - pencil - pushing - sacks - of - monkey - dung like the ones we are forced to deal with on this beautiful forum.

BAH

and just let me add... don't even begin to think that gnu/gpl is safe.  if you believe the TCPA rhetoric about @opting-out@ then you are sadly misinformed

good post beltorak0

[Aegwyn]

Hmmm...
Has anyone here ever read a book called "Signal To Noise", by Eric S Nylund?
(OK, I'll understand it id you haven't, so I'll outline the general idea here)

After a series of catastrophic earthquakes, which destroy all of the major fiberoptic "pipes", etc., the American government decides to deal with the whole Net question by rebuilding all the pipes with monitors and filters on all of them, to filter out any non-American content, and to repress people's desires to go overseas, without business reasons. Any who try to go overseas, and are really serious about it, just get detained and have their minds f**ked with.

Is it just me, or is good ol' Mr. Thompson looking for a system just like this? Individual countries will have exculsive control over what comes in and out of their country. Can you even imagine what some European countries would do with that sort of control? For that matter, any country at all?

Remember no *country* is bad. Only people are bad, and even that is a perspective-based thing. America are no more repressive and facist than any European democracy.  Maybe that should be thought about a little more.

Service With A Smile ,
Aegwyn

[choasforages]

since the riaa and such have started fucking my rights over, with shit like the dmca, well, they steal from me, so i steal from them so it all works out...

besides i would rather go to a live show anyway, way more fun then sitting  in my room.

[KernelPanic]

Screw sony records. I went to but a Cd yesterday and saw:

"Will not play on PC/MAC"

My PC is the centre of my sound system so I guess I have no alternative than to download the whole album  
Their loss, not mine...

Problem is I wanted the actual CD.  

[voidmain]

If everyone like you would send them a nasty email then maybe they will start getting the hint.

[choasforages]

dude, my computer has a better sound system then my stereo, infact, my computer goes from soundcard, to  amp, to 2 8ohm 200watt speakers, a pair of 6 ohm 200watt speakers, and a pair of 15watt 6 ohm speakers, it is very loud, and has some pretty good sound quality, and im rebuilding the 8 ohm speakers as soon as the guy sells me the woofer's that i want