A decent Purchase

[Crunchy(Cracked)Butter]

I was going to preorder SuSE 8.1 for my computers at home but i checked their hardware database and they still cannot accomodate the hardware on my laptop, i had bought 7.3 as well.  At time i find their search engine very hard to use and it doesn't list everything i need.

I am also playing with Lycoris build 46 at the moment buy i feel this can be used for my gf more than anything.  As i feel it is suited for her.

However Redhat 8 might prove the ticket.   Its only

[Master of Reality]

Redhat (and most other distros) are cheaper than SuSe because it is free to download. SuSe costs money no matter what, it is proprietary.
All your paying for the redhat CD is for the actaul CD and the support book( that usually come with it.

You need a PPC version of Linux to run on a Mac.
Here is a list of them

All you need to run redhat is 32MB of RAM. and a hardrive at leat 20 MB

[voidmain]

Actually you *can* download SuSe at no charge, just not in ISO form. You can build your own ISO if you want. I choose not to.

[Crunchy(Cracked)Butter]

Why can you not download it as an ISO?

Thanks for the link btw.

[Master of Reality]

they like money. OpenBSD is like that too, but tehy only have 6 packages that you need to dl and burn onto a CD to make it installable.

[flap]

quote:Originally posted by The Master of Reality / Bob:
SuSe costs money no matter what, it is proprietary.

suse is *not* proprietary, regardless of whether or not you have to pay them to get it.

[Master of Reality]

ya i realize that now. And of course you dont have to pay for it no matter what. Just have to pay for the iso/cd

[flap]

Well the point is that even if they chose not to make their software available for free download that wouldn't necessarily mean it was proprietary. The GPL doesn't require that they make their software available free of charge.

[Master of Reality]

yes, i see, Suse is still open source.

[voidmain]

Actually isn't yast/yast2 proprietary closed source? Since that utility is pretty much what makes SuSe SuSe then I would have to say that makes SuSe proprietary (if yast indeed is proprietary that is).

[Master of Reality]

i dunno, one program being proprietary would make the whole OS proprietary? I think there is more to SuSe than just yast.. isnt there?
I wont be getting Suse anytime soon to find out either though.

[voidmain]

Actually I should have done a little research before posting that. According to their license (which is not GPL) they do distribute the source. But they have restrictions:

http://www.suse.de/~sh/YaST2-Package-Manager/#bg_license

Do you get yast2 with the SuSe downloadable version?  And I would say yes, yast is what makes SuSe SuSe. They use RPM format software installation which was created by RedHat. I don't know of what else SuSe has developed other than yast. I am sure someone will enlighten me....

And they prevent another company from making a profit simply by repacking and rebranding the SuSe distro. Hell, if RedHat had such a license there would be no Mandrake (something for you to think about).

[ September 30, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[TheQuirk]

Three things:
(1)The SuSe license allowed making ISOs.
(2)The OpenBSD one does not.
(3)OpenBSD doesn't provice ISos for security purposes, or so I'm told.

[Master of Reality]

quote:Originally posted by TheQuirk:
Three things:
(1)The SuSe license allowed making ISOs.
(2)The OpenBSD one does not.
(3)OpenBSD doesn't provice ISos for security purposes, or so I'm told.

I was sure that the OpenBSD website told me to make an iso myself if i wanted one. How is not providing ISOs more secure??

[TheQuirk]

What I was told is that you could change the ISO to have malicious "things." Having approved FTPs means you'll get the freshest packages and won't be getting any unwated, "evil" packages.

And that's not my opinion, that's what the folks on IRC told me!