KDE 3.1 Released...

[voidmain]

screenshots

[KernelPanic]

That's been a while coming...

[slave]

KDE suffers from feature creep.  Don't believe me?  Look at the KDE control center, for an example.

I tried KDE 3.1 RC6 on Yoper and didn't like it very much.  Konqeror *still* isn't nearly as good as Mozilla at rendering pages properly, nor is it faster at selecting text or scrolling up and down pages.

Many of the KDE apps like Kword or KSirc are too immature for my tastes.  Openoffice and Xchat are much more mature in my opinion.

Thanks, but GNOME seems good enough for me.  It doesn't "get in my way."  I also think Keramik is kind of ugly.

But... what *really* bugs me is how the KDE devs have to put a "K" in front of everything!!  Imagine if in gnome you had gnautilus and gevolution.

[preacher]

Actually I love the way KDE looks and I still use xmms and xchat. Its kind of like when I used Windows. Yes Windows comes with IE and WMP, but I used Mozilla and Winamp. I think that it is a lot more user friendly than gnome and much more pleasant to the eye. Ive shown several friends my Gnome 2.0 desktop and they werent impressed with it and commented it looked a little too much like a Mac. Kde on the other hand I believe has a much more distinctive look. The thing is that I love the way KDE looks, but I use gnome too. I love this freedom of choice in linux. It makes things fun.

[raptor]

quote:Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
KDE suffers from feature creep.  Don't believe me?  Look at the KDE control center, for an example.

I tried KDE 3.1 RC6 on Yoper and didn't like it very much.  Konqeror *still* isn't nearly as good as Mozilla at rendering pages properly, nor is it faster at selecting text or scrolling up and down pages.

Many of the KDE apps like Kword or KSirc are too immature for my tastes.  Openoffice and Xchat are much more mature in my opinion.

Thanks, but GNOME seems good enough for me.  It doesn't "get in my way."  I also think Keramik is kind of ugly.

But... what *really* bugs me is how the KDE devs have to put a "K" in front of everything!!  Imagine if in gnome you had gnautilus and gevolution.

i believe that gnome beta 2.2 RC has released not sure though.

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on another note, what is with the XP looking fluffyNess ? (KDE of course)

[ January 30, 2003: Message edited by: raptor ]

[SAJChurchey]

The new KDE looks great.  Do you know if the Konqueror that comes w/ it has the new KHTML engine that the Safari project improved upon.  That would definitely be a plus!

[raptor]

quote:Originally posted by SAJChurchey:
The new KDE looks great.  Do you know if the Konqueror that comes w/ it has the new KHTML engine that the Safari project improved upon.  That would definitely be a plus!

i dont know. the way i understand it is that the people behind kde have partnered with apple or are working with them.

[SAJChurchey]

I hope the new KHTML engine was tested and approved by KDE and thus included w/ this release.  It would definitely give KDE some momentum having the latest rave of rendering engines.

[solo]

I am running KDE 3.1 right now. Let me tell you it is excellent. It is all the features I loved from the rc's I tried plus more. However it has some, er, problems. Bad ones.

- In the KDE editor component (used in KWrite and Kate) when you place your cursor at the end of a line and have a line that is smaller than the one you are on, and press up/down towards that line, the cursor will move 5-7 spaces past the end of the line *and* the place where your cursor was on the line above. So when you hold the down key to get to the bottom of the document (provided it has a good amount of lines) the cursor will scroll very far to the right, making the text go off the viewing area. Also the bottom scroll bar doesn't appear when this happens

- Here's the major one. When I go into the screensaver setup and (now with the new XScreenSaver support) choose the Queens screensaver, then go to Setup and change the Speed to full, X crashes and upon reentering

          all files in my home directory are gone

well not all, only ones not starting with a period (???). I've logged into gnome and tried to reproduce the problem in xscreensaver-demo, and it doesn't happen. It happens every time I do it in the KDE screensaver setup.

I cried, let me tell you, when I found all my files gone. It's just lucky I didnt have my distro's source code in there! (i did have planning documents tho GRR)

[slave]

That's what I'm talking about.  The KDE team doesn't  test their software enough before releasing it.  There were several *extremely annoying* bugs I encountered in KDE 2.2.  You think a x.2 release would gets its bugs fixed!

[solo]

yeah i agree they should definitely test more.

but i love kde. kde loved me when no other desktop system would. it scratches my back and I dont really have to scratch it's back in return. is it illegal to sleep with a set of 1s and 0s?

lol

[solo]

quote:Originally posted by SAJChurchey:
The new KDE looks great.  Do you know if the Konqueror that comes w/ it has the new KHTML engine that the Safari project improved upon.  That would definitely be a plus!

ahh, i dont think so, or at least i dont notice a big difference but idk

[solo]

more bugs anyone?

-kmozilla doesnt work at all
-pictures always have a title of 0x0 Pixel Image (no sizes), sometimes you need to click refresh to get them to appear (this is in konqueror)
-not a bug but theres no place to make a new tab if -you dont have multiple tabs open
-audiocd kioslave doesnt have mp3 export support (wtf??) only ogg and cda
-the kmix dock icon doesnt show the volume slider until you click it twice, from then on until another component gets focus you can single click it to toggle

theres probably more but i cant think of any

on a better note they finally fixed the keyword search stuff in konqueror, no more 404 because of that one keyword company that went out of business cuz microsoft dropped its contract (hehe)

thank god they included keramik with the release, i can never seem to get it to compile right and apparently for a long time it had a bug that made it segfault every time you closed a window (ouch)

[Calum]

'kmozilla'? that's a bit rich.

kde has a lot more features than other desktops, but i ask myself, are they necessary? even though i use kde (3.0) on my serious computer, i still realise that the only reason for that is that GNOME is not yet stable enough to run on this computer for some reason. GNOME 2 seems to run fine on my other (nonserious) computer however and i can seriously say i prefer working with GNOME a lot better than i like KDE. just a personal preference, i know, but i think that if KDE was better bugfixed and if it modelled itself on GNOME  instead of on windows (which it will never do, KDE is too proud, and not only that, it's older than GNOME) then it would be a lot better.

[solo]

kmozilla is a kde binding of gecko, idk if its in kde 3.0 but its under View -> View Mode. Very useful if some site uses some code that doesnt work in konq but works in mozilla. However, its pretty useless if all that happens when i enable it is the status bar moving to the middle of the window...