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I was refering to this distro when I said 64MB of RAM.
That's totally unrealistic. We're not making a bare-bones, stripped-down system here. Grow a pair and buy some more RAM.
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I just mean that it should be totally unnecessary to learn the command line.
But you just said that there should be a command line in Windows for troubleshooting. Make your damn mind up.
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Yes, you could install a 32 bit library and even run some Win95 software in Win3.11
>sigh<
Thick. There were parts of Windows that were full 386 protected mode dating all the way back to Windows 2.11/386. Windows For Workgroups added "32-bit Disk and File Access", which used 32-bit filesystem drivers.
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And there was an earlier implementation of Win32 which is the one I think you're referring too. If I remember rightly it only let you allocate 32-bit memory for data, it was shit because you couldn't executed any code in these "extended 32 bit segments" although you could swap it in and out of them.
Earlier implemenation of Win32? You mean Windows NT perhaps?
Look... Win32 is the 32-bit Windows API. You're thinking of "Win32s" which was a free add-on for Windows 3.x that let it run limited 32-bit Windows apps. It wouldn't work with Windows NT or Windows 95 apps, as they utilized the full Win32 API.
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Then why did you need HIMEM.SYS loaded to run windows?
Because Windows loaded as a regular real-mode app that would then switch to protected mode. Without himem, it would not be able to access enough memory to load itself into RAM.
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They souldn't have used MS-DOS in the true sense of the word.
No, they should have used some kind of magical orb that projected the image of DOS instead.
What should they have used then? They were doing their best to provide a good system that maintained backward-compatibility. They pretty much succeeded. You could leave Windows 95 entirely and run in MS-DOS so that you could run troublesome DOS apps. Tell me something... you're an AutoCAD user and you just bought AutoCAD R12, which ran on DOS (it wasn't until later that a Windows version was released). You have the original DOS version, and you get Windows 95.
AutoCAD will NOT run in the Windows 9x DOS box, nor will it run in the NT DOS VM. What you propose is something similar to the NT VDM, therefore, screwing over people who run finnicky apps, like AutoCAD. I don't know about you, but I don't think there's any way that I'd make the decision to drop real DOS support if I were in charge of 95.
[/quote]I knew someone would say this.
Have you ever used recovery console before?
Do you know how much shit it really sucks?
You can't run any programs, either 32-bit console or 16-bit DOS.
It doesn't even allow you access to My Documents.
It doesn't load any CD burning or USB drivers so even if it did it would be fucking useless.[/quote]
That's because it's a recovery console. How about you start a project to create tools that will run on recovery console?
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I agree with you.
DOS Sucks.
This was just a bad choice of words on my part.
NT should have a proper command line interface. You should have been able to boot Win95 and run 32-bit console programs, use the USB, printer, CD-ROM, all with the windows drivers in text mode. In short, they should have ditched DOS16 back in 95, and used NT, but made the GUI optional. You don't need a GUI for a file server.
As stated before, there's no way that NT would have worked. There were too many bossy DOS apps. Besides, Windows 95 was more advanced than NT in many ways when it was released.
I've got an idea. You go find Windows NT 3.5 and run it and tell me if that's better than 95.
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Anyway why the fuck are we arguing about Windows?
Because you hijacked my thread so that you could bitch about more bullshit.
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[FU] Windows!
It's not even worth discussion!
I try to do my best to forget the old Windows shit!
Then shut up about it.
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Sort of true, but will knowledge command line be even less inpotant in Komodo Linux?
I'm not sure about Komodo, but my aim for GenSTEP is to make the command line about as important as it is in OPENSTEP or Mac OS X.
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It would be fucking excellent if all the setting could be adjusted in the GUI. Linux being an operating system that promotes choice, you should also be allowed to use the traditional command line without any graphics if you wish.
Uh, not in Komodo or GenSTEP. If that's what you want, then get Slackware. Komodo and GenSTEP are optimized through and through for the user, meaning GUI.
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How easy will it be to install, set up and troubleshoot new hardware?
Seeing as we're still working on our hardware layer, I don't know. We plan it to be true plug-and-play. We hope it to be as good as Mac OS X. That comes with a price though. "Officially supported" hardware will be only a subset of all the hardware that exists today. Beyond that, you'll deal with normal Linux compatibility, which is still quite good.
If you give a shit about the 3D desktop, get a new vid card. That Savage Pro won't cut the mustard.
I kick ass.
