ahh, it worked by defualt/*well /sbin/modprobe joydev but thats minor*/ and i could use it to control xmms, and play quake3 and icculus quake2 but i have been looking allover and can't find a howto on how to do it. and i don't know a nuff about X too do anything other then follow instructions. i just want to use it to mystify my windoid friends. "your running it with a joystick, boner". and i also think it would kick ass to run a gui from a gamepad. and it would add to the odd hardware setups i have/*the other on is a jaz drive on an OpenBSD system setup as /tmp*/