webservers performance.. linuxoze vs M$ related

[insomnia]

quote:Originally posted by ThePreacher:
Ok listen. I have seen many a report that puts the performance of Microsoft's IIS webserver above the Apache 1.3.x webserver software. It is a known fact that it is more efficient. Keep in mind, I am a linux junkie and hate Microsoft, but I am not embarrassed to face facts.

But here is another fact, Microsofts webserver software costs $1000+ for each computer it is installed on, and has a multibillion dollar company that develops it. Meanwhile Apache is free. Also Apache 2.x fixed many of the performance problems that 1.3.x suffers from. Did I forget to mention that Apache has suffered far fewer critical flaws than IIS, and they have been detected and patched in a much shorter period of time due to the fact that it is open source. Oh and Apache is the #1 webserver in the world. Not bad from a company no where near the size of Microsoft.

Now even though Microsoft IIS is more efficient than Apache, you have to really look at these stats and question their validity in real world applications. Huge websites such as Amazon.com use apache every day with absolutely no problems. So you really have to wonder if these tests mean anything at all.

Euhm ...
Sorry, but your absolutely wrong.
IIS isn't more efficient at all!!!
Please check some facts before making weird statements like that.

FACT: Their don't even exist servers big enough to make IIS efficient.

Do explain why you think IIS could possibly be as efficient as apache?

[ecsyle_one]

quote:Originally posted by insomnia:


Euhm ...
Sorry, but your absolutely wrong.
IIS isn't more efficient at all!!!
Please check some facts before making weird statements like that.

FACT: Their don't even exist servers big enough to make IIS efficient.

Do explain why you think IIS could possibly be as efficient as apache?

Prove that it isn't. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean that it automatically sucks.

[insomnia]

quote:Originally posted by ecsyle.artformsdesign:

Prove that it isn't. Just because it's Microsoft doesn't mean that it automatically sucks.

Their are some who are to big,
but they all use something like AIX(indeed the fastest server system).
IIS doesn't suck cause it's MS,
it sucks cause of it's performance.

[ May 14, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]

[preacher]

Well maybe you haven't read the multiple unbiased articles in many pc publications where they did load testing of IIS vs. Apache on the exact same hardware. I have read at least 5 such articles and there is no way all of these could be biased. The results showed that IIS was more efficient when accepting simultaneous requests. I believe it could handle 12,000 while apache was only getting around 7,000.

Now I know you are convinced that all things Microsft are bullshit, but that doesn't mean that for this particular test IIS couldn't beat apache.

Read my whole post, and you will see that I believe these load tests are totally irrelevant when it come down to day to day use. I am not wrong, you just made an uneducated and biased comment based purely on emotion and not fact.

Fact, for this kind of test, IIS is more efficient.

Another fact, in the real world, these conditions almost never exist, and apache is more than powerful enough to support some of the largest websites in the world.

Get over it, apache isn't perfect.

[ecsyle_one]

I have a p2 450 running apache 2 right now. It has 384(?) mb ram, and gets the job done. How would IIS run on this system? Im just curious. I'm not going to switch. I like Linux/MySQL/PHP. I do not run a gui at all. Command line all the ay. Oh yeah, and some webmin for when i am too lazy to switch monitors  

I wonder if I could even run a 2003 server decently on a p2 450.

[insomnia]

Yes IIS is perfect...(oh please)

You don't know any facts.
I work with:
a.Linux/apache
b.*BSD/apache
c.Windows/apache
d.Windows/IIS
e.AIX and others

Thats my fucking job.
I write and build networks and servers.
I don't do this for free and I do get paid for it.
If someone wants IIS, he'll get IIS.
And no, I never claimed Linux/Apache is the fastest server (AIX is!).
 
   

quote:I believe it could handle 12,000 while apache was only getting around 7,000

Do you understand anything about networking?
How many servers get more than 7000 simultaneous requests?
Please give some examples.

   

quote:Now I know you are convinced that all things Microsft are bullshit

WHY?
You don't even know me.
I do know IIS is crap.

   

quote:Read my whole post, and you will see that I believe these load tests are totally irrelevant when it come down to day to day use

Read my first link and read Tux's link.

   

quote:I am not wrong, you just made an uneducated and biased comment based purely on emotion and not fact.

You're very wrong.

   

quote:Fact, for this kind of test, IIS is more efficient.

That's hilarious.

   

quote:Get over it, apache isn't perfect.

I know. But it's better than IIS.

 

quote: How would IIS run on this system? Im just curious. I'm not going to switch. I like Linux/MySQL/PHP.

IIS is known for it very bad interaction with PHP.
Better buy both IIS and ASP.

[ May 14, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]

[skyman8081]

quote:Do you understand anything about networking?
How many servers get more than 7000 simultaneous requests?
Please give some examples.

http://slashdot.org/
DDoS
DoS

 

quote:IIS is known for it very bad interaction with PHP.
Better buy both IIS and ASP.

perhaps it is because the two languages are so similar, IIS is trying to parse PHP as ASP.  and where do you see IIS supporting PHP anyway?

[ May 14, 2004: Message edited by: Sauron: Troll Warrior ]

[xyle_one]

lol

eskador.com is hosting on windows server and I can run PHP scripts.

[insomnia]

quote:Originally posted by xyle_one:
lol

eskador.com is hosting on windows server and I can run PHP scripts.

So...???
PHP is not only a scripting language.
Do you actually understand anything of this?

[insomnia]

quote:http://slashdot.org/

 
Are you actually claiming SlashDot uses IIS???
And if they don't, they can't possibly accept that amount of users at the same time (the apache limit, remember!).    :rolleyes:        :rolleyes:        :rolleyes:

[ May 14, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]

[skyman8081]

quote:Originally posted by insomnia:
Please give some examples.

I was talking about the effect slashdot has on websites.

[ May 14, 2004: Message edited by: Sauron: Troll Warrior ]

[solarismka]

I don't know about benchmarks or whatever.  By being a sysadmin for a company I have worked with Windows/IIS and Linux/Apache.

I will always say Linux/Apache beats out windows/IIs anyday!  Pluse its cheaper.

AIX.  Oh yea that has to be A Good system.  Even som e banks run it.  The smart ones at least.      

[preacher]

I am sick of even wasting my time with you Insomnia. You are as bad as those people who think anything that isn't open source should be destroyed. Completely unwilling to face facts. Anything that doesn't agree with what you believe is a lie.

[flap]

quote:You are as bad as those people who think anything that isn't open source should be destroyed.

I agree that that's wrong. Anything that isn't free software should be destroyed.

[Xeen]

Can you please stop adding "-oze" to everything?