How can I do it in UNIX

[www.unixsucks.com]

To Brian. Stop insulting me fucking asshole.
The way you implement it is called "through the ass". So what if you want user run programs 2,3,5 all requiring GUI.
So how do you allow user to add/delete printer on his own if it's root task?
Remember it's 5000 desktops.

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[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by www.unixsucks.com:
To void.
Please explain what you gonna do if it would not be a case where username = email address?
And I thought it was reason for your post - to show that there is something which Linux can do and Windows can't. If it possible to do then what is point?

The point is, it took about 5 minutes to do this solution in Linux and you still haven't given me exact details of how you would do it.  And shit, you paid all that money for that stuff, why are you having such a hard time?

[www.unixsucks.com]

Use telnet serverwhich comes with Windows 2000 and users get their shell accounts.
What is the problem here again?
And why it's needed? Do you often see people in real world (not admin) which need shell accounts?

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by www.unixsucks.com:
Use telnet serverwhich comes with Windows 2000 and users get their shell accounts.
What is the problem here again?
And why it's needed? Do you often see people in real world (not admin) which need shell accounts?

Hah hah hah hah!!!  Have you ever used telnetd in Windows?  It's pretty damn difficult to do *anything* in Windows from a shell since everything depends on a GUI. You are right. telnetd in Windows is as useless as tits on a boar.

[www.unixsucks.com]

To void.
I have done much more complicated projects then that.
My last project was creating program which would notify user about their account expiration. I have queired AD using ADSI to get days before expiration, extracted users SID, made LDAP query to Exchange server to find user's email address, create mail message using XSL and XML document, send email, dump result in XML document.
Does not it sounds a little bit more complicated? I can send you source code if you need. I CAN DO IT. One more time, I CAN DO IT. And it would not take me hours. If you don't beleive me then see a couple of my projects on www.artisticcheese.com, I'm sure you would not but still.

[www.unixsucks.com]

I know shell in Windows is not as powerfull as in UNIX. What would you expect from GUI based OS.
BUT! You can do almost all administrative tasks through shell. You can manage users, connect to printers, share files, manage DNS server and bunch of other stuff. But it's not needed as I have TS. I can do anything I want through GUI remotely. This thing works and works well.
Anyway, I'm out of here. Nobody answered my original questions, there were weak attempts but they did not accomplish required goals.
Here is last thing which you might have an answer to.
So you have 2 plates on one plate is Linux
- Powerfull
- Fast
- Has a tons of free programs for all business needs and they are free
- Reliable
- Secure
- Easy to use (some people here claim it)
- Everybody loves society which create it
- And it's FREE!!
Other plate Windows
- Weak, bad perfomance
- Has tons of programs but they cost money
- Unreliable
- Insecure
- Company which produces it is hated
- Easy to use
- Costs lots of money
How is that possible that not all people using Linux by now? As far as I can see, all pluses for Linux and majority of minuses for Windows.
Where I'm wrong?

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[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by www.unixsucks.com:
To void.
I have done much more complicated projects then that.
My last project was creating program which would notify user about their account expiration. I have queired AD using ADSI to get days before expiration, extracted users SID, made LDAP query to Exchange server to find user's email address, create mail message using XSL and XML document, send email, dump result in XML document.
Does not it sounds a little bit more complicated? I can send you source code if you need. I CAN DO IT. One more time, I CAN DO IT. And it would not take me hours. If you don't beleive me then see a couple of my projects on www.artisticcheese.com, I'm sure you would not but still.

No, this is baby stuff and it is stuff I do on a daily basis.  And you might as well give it up, you haven't convinced one person of anything, other than you are wasting our time (and I assume yours), and you don't seem to have one clue about UNIX.  Speaking of which, you mentioned your only taste of UNIX was managing a DNS server. What flavor/version of UNIX and what version of DNS/BIND is it running?  And more importantly why aren't you using MS-DNS?  Uh, maybe because it SUCKS?  MS-DNS has to be buggier than WindowsME.

[badkarma]

quote:Originally posted by www.unixsucks.com:
How is that possible that not all people using Linux by now? As far as I can see, all pluses for Linux and majority of minuses for Windows.
Where I'm wrong?
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marketing, lobbying, FUD tactics and the fact that a lot of people think that linux is hard to use (which it is not, it's just different)

[voidmain]

And like I said unixhater, you better start learning Linux soon or you're going to be flippin' burgers.  Just today another one of Bill's biggest customers is about to drop him like a flaming bag of pooh:

http://www.itnews.com.au/story.cfm?ID=10596

[LorKorub]

I'll tell you "how to do it."  

Instead of shoving your whole head up Bill's ass, do it slow, and subtley.  That way, it feels good for him, feels good for you, and you'll have something better to do with your time instead of wasting it here by posting your redundant, rudimentary, nonsense.

Boom Bye Bye.....pussy-clot...

[www.unixsucks.com]

So it's a bunch of FUD which allows microsoft to be where they are now?
What does that mean. Don't you think by this time there is mo FUSS about Linux/*NIX then Windows? I have talked to some people who are really not into computers and seems to me they actually got a lot of *NIX propaganda in their heads. Looks at your own thereads about how people has not idea what do with a computer and would still install Linux. So I don't really see how marketing allows Microsoft to be a leader.
To Void. We use in production enviroment what we have to use and what is forced from above. It's BIND 8 (I suppose) running on Solaris. Here is the problems I have with it: I have to have a local account on that machine to be able to properly administer it. All admins are sharing root password. I can not assign permissions to individual records. I can not purge purge from cache only specific records, I have to purge the whole goddamn cache.
But it walks well, I admit it. It's kinda pain in ass but it works. By the way, it's 6 a.m. here and I was just waked up by our company's help desk becouse of DNS issues. Seems to me that our internal DNS servers are fucked up. So they are calling now *NIX guru to fix it. I'm not 100% positive that it's DNS issue (so it seems to be at this point) but it either that or firewall which both run UNIX and which are fucked up as of now. So *NIX based systems never fucked up?
So what was your point again? That it was my choice? No (I run Win2000 DNS as a primary for www.unixsucks.com). Don't you use Exchange over there as well?
By the way, what is preferred mail scenarion solutoin for Linux based network. What do you run on server, how people read email, what authentication is used? Say you have 20 users network.

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[voidmain]

Sendmail/IMAP works well, and if you want encrypted traffic use IMAPS, no need for Exchange. You can use POP instead of IMAP but I like having all of my message folders on the server (like Exchange). All Linux distros come with these. Not only can all UNIX mail clients use this server, you can even use Outlook and Outlook Express in Windows to read your mail on your UNIX/Linux server.

There are other products available that provide similar functionality to Exchange, some free, some not.  IMAP suits my partners and I just fine for our side business (and all of the other small business that we host for).

[www.unixsucks.com]

So where do you authenticate?
On local email server? Everybody has it's own account there?
How people logon to network or they don't?
Do they have some features which would restrict them to send to specific people inside organisation, to give access to local mailbox to other people, to have rich calendaring and meeting support?
About that link you sent, this quote says it's all. Another brain washed CIO. To tell you the truth i would like to see if they would be able to pull it off.

 

quote:Smith has spoken publicly on a number of occasion about his preference for open standards and systems and listed Sun boss Scott McNealy as his most admired IT figure in a recent magazine interview.

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[Pantso]

Hey unixsucks, I've been watching your little debate for a few days now and I've noticed that you're an educated fellow. What bothers me though is your persistence in coming back to the forums again and again just to try and prove that in Linux or *NIX you can't do something as easily as in Windows. Maybe you're right or maybe you're wrong, who knows? All I know is that I can't judge an OS purely by its performance on some highly specialized tasks as the ones you mention here. So far my judgement on Linux included the overall performance of the specific OS against Windows and by overall performance I mean the reliability, the security, the robustness of Linux.

I can't argue with you, and I don't suppose anyone can, that Windows is easier to use, supports more apps, more hardware etc etc. But is that all? Can you sacrifice the reliability of your system in the name of "ease of use"? I know I wouldn't!

Furthermore, don't forget that GNU/Linux is the result of an effort made by millions of programmers around the world, who work mostly in their free time compared to M$, a tightly-sealed major corporation that focus their work only on profit and the mistreatment of their customers.

I can't say that I don't use windows anymore as I have to run some apps designed for Windows only. But I use Linux as well and am trying to learn as much as I can about it and that at least gives me the pleasure of freedom of choice.

Clearly, you have misinterpreted the meaning of these forums and you're not the only one, believe me.The point is that you won't find any immature Windows hater here with no arguments. As you have already figured out for yourself most of the people here have very strong arguments to support their case. So do I and I'm just a computer illiterate compared to most of the people here.

Anyway, good luck in trying to learn a few things more about Linux and *NIX in general. Perhaps, it will help you more in your work than you ever imagined and make your life easier  

[Stryker]

I still haven't had my question answered by unixsucks. How many times did you have to click your mouse, between the time you stuck your cd in to install the damned server, and the time it was fully operational (which would include every one of your little rants that you've mentioned)? And you have 5000 users you say...