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I want to change my OS because i'm actualy on windows2000 pro...It suck!
I would like an easy to use OS, english or frensh version, but i don't know what to choose...
i've try to download freebsd ans netbsb but i don't know how to install it under windoz... :confused:  
I need help!!!   :eek:

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« Reply #1 on: 8 December 2001, 03:27 »
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Originally posted by BlackWizzard:
I want to change my OS because i'm actualy on windows2000 pro...It suck!
I would like an easy to use OS, english or frensh version, but i don't know what to choose...
i've try to download freebsd ans netbsb but i don't know how to install it under windoz...  :confused:  
I need help!!!    :eek:  



Don't take this the wrong way but if you consider Windows 2000 to be hard, then you may have real trouble with FreeBSD, however, I certainly do not want to discourage you from trying.  First of all, you can't install FreeBSD or Linux *under* Windows (unless of course you are running VMWare).  You have a couple of choices.  Usually you download the CD images and create installation CDs (FreeBSD can also be installed over the internet from a couple of boot floppies, but so can Linux but I do not recommend this unless you are T1 connected or have a good reliable DSL or Cable connection).  After you create the CDs you have to boot the computer, either from floppy or from CD (containing the installation disks for the operating system you want to install).  Before you do this you have to decide if you want to replace Windows or have the option of booting into either.  If you want to have both (dual boot) then you need to repartition your hard drive to allow enough unpartitioned space for the other OS (i.e. shrink your C: drive to create a few GB minimum of free unpartitioned space, I recommend using Partition Magic for this if you have it).  You can also add another hard drive if you don't want to modify your partitions on your Windows hard drive.  

Then just follow the installation instructions (you might want to go through some of the installation documentation on the web sites you download the OS from and get familiar with the installation process first, most of todays Linux distros are pretty easy without documentation).
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« Reply #2 on: 9 December 2001, 02:59 »
It's commendable that you want to free yourself from the Redmond Borg. Did the same thing myself about three weeks ago. I would recommend trying Mandrake Linux instead, it's easier to use than the BSDs, and real easy to install. You can get Mandrake either by downloading the Iso images and burning the CDs. (Doable, but it can take quite a bit of time unless you have a high speed connection, even then, there is always the possibility that the data could be corrupted in transit.) You can order Mandrake from Linux Central (http://linuxcentral.com) The three CD set costs $5.95 + shipping, but you don't get any documentation. (See http://www.mandrakelinux.com to download the documentation: "Mandrake Linux: Installation and User Guide" and "Mandrake Linux: Reference Manual") or you can go to Mandrake Soft and order a boxed set (CDs, documentation, and some cool accessories: mouse pad, stickers, tech support)

The install is not difficult. Simply start Winblows, and place the CD in the tray. The Mandrake installer should start right up. The installer will guide you through the process, show you how to prepare a rescue/boot floppy, and you're on your way. The default install would be best if you've never done this before, and takes care of just about everything. In about 20 minutes or so, you'll be free of His Gatesness forever. I've found that I don't miss him at all.

And yes, Mandrake does have French support. After all. Mandrake Soft *is* a French company :)Linux CentralMandrake Soft
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« Reply #3 on: 15 December 2001, 12:55 »
What exactly is it you dislike about Windows?  Last time I checked, it had better hardware support and drivers backing it up than any other OS - which means if you have recent hardware and want to take full advantage of it, you have to use Winbloze.  If you care a lot about games, you will have to use Winbloze - some games work in Mac OS, Linux, etc - but many fewer than for Winbloze, and chances are your favorite game will not work.  

If you're just a standard-nobody user, forget Linux!  It's a hassle to set up most of the time, and you won't like it any more than Windows.  If you want the LEAST hassle, then just use windows!  If you want a stable as hell OS, use Linux.  If you're not willing to put in hours of time learning it, don't even BOTHER.

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« Reply #4 on: 16 December 2001, 11:45 »
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What exactly is it you dislike about Windows?


I ran Win 95 for six years. The only complaint I had with it was that I had to remove as many M$ apps as I could in order to get it to work right. I ditched Outlook Express, M$ Office, quit using Internet Explorer, and replaced these with Star Office, Pegasus, and Netscape. Once I did this, I no longer had those BSODs or had to give the three finger salute. Rather odd that the OS ran third party apps better than its own native apps.

Be that as it may, I never saw any reason to change it. Win 98, 2000, ME, NT: nothing there that convinced me that they were any better than Win 95. Also, still using the rig that originally had Win 95 on it (Dell OptiPlex GXa). It still runs perfectly and has never given me any trouble. It wasn't till this spring that I ever gave a thought to changing. That's when I read that His Gatesness was pulling the plug on Win 95: no more tech support. This means that there won't be any more apps being written for it. I could write my own Win 95 apps, and have no one to share them with (or sell them to). I thought that I'd do like everyone else: get a new system with this new thing: Windows XP. Then I heard about WPA. I don't like the "All your data are belong to us" aspect of this. I *really* resent the fact that they are treating me, a loyal, willing, and up till then satisfied customer, like a criminal. If that's the way they're going to treat me, then "Fuck 'em". That's when I decided to go Linux.

 
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Last time I checked, it had better hardware support and drivers backing it up than any other OS - which means if you have recent hardware
          and want to take full advantage of it, you have to use Winbloze.


The *only* hardware Linux couldn't work with was the Lucent Technologies WinModem. That's all I had to replace. On quite a few tech forums, I'm reading a *lot* more complaints about unsupported hardware, and missing drivers, from those who've installed Win XP than I'm reading from users of any other OS.

 
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 If you care a lot about games, you will have to use Winbloze  


I don't give a rat's ass about games.

 
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If you're just a standard-nobody user, forget Linux! It's a hassle to set up most of the time, and you won't like it any more than Windows. If you want the LEAST hassle, then just use
          windows! If you want a stable as hell OS, use Linux. If you're not willing to put in hours of time learning it, don't even BOTHER.  


What bullshit! Mandrake installed with *no* trouble on this six year old Dell, with 32MB of memory, 2.0GB hard drive, Pentium II - and all the original hardware. With the KDE desktop, Mandrake is *no* more difficult to use than Win 95. Even those old UNIX standbys, Vi and EMACS, that most folks swear at, not by, have GUI frontends that make them no more difficult to use than "Wordpad". At least Mandrake comes with *excellent* documentation; and that's a helluva lot more than Windows. Hell, I had to figure out 90% of it on my own! You've seen that late night info-mercial where that dude is selling those CDs that teach you how to use Windows? He'd be broke and sleeping in a park somewhere if he tried to make a living selling CDs that taught Mandrake users how to use Mandrake! (Probably why he doesn't do it! LOL)
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« Reply #5 on: 16 December 2001, 12:12 »
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You've seen that late night info-mercial where that dude is selling those CDs that teach you how to use Windows? He'd be broke and sleeping in a park somewhere if he tried to make a living selling CDs that taught Mandrake users how to use Mandrake! (Probably why he doesn't do it! LOL)



Way to go penrod! I am extremely pleased to hear this from a long time Win* user who  just recently switched.  I started using Linux in the *very* early days (when it really was a big deal to get it going and there was no RedHat/Mandrake/Slackware/etc, no books and little documentation, unless of course you were a C programmer).  It's one of the reasons I feel uncomfortable pushing it so hard, because I don't *really* know if it has matured enough for a long time Win* user to make the switch.  I think it has, but I didn't start with a mature Linux.  Of course I also started with MS products before there was a Windows.

And I see that guy on TV and just have to wonder "are there really people out there that are *that* stupid?". I think he goes by "The Video Professor" and if it were up to me to pick a name for him it would be "The guy who drives the short bus".

As far as "vi" goes.  There's no better text editor on the planet for programming! And not the X version.  Actually "vim" has some nice enhancements and there are other editors included with KDE that mimic "notepad" and "wordpad/write" called "kedit" and "kwrite", go figure. They'll help with the transition if yer coming over from the dark side.

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« Reply #6 on: 16 December 2001, 21:50 »
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And I see that guy on TV and just have to wonder "are there really people out there that are *that* stupid?"


It's not a question of people out there being *that* stupid, it's that the documentation from M$ *really* sux. The video professor is simply doing the job that should have been done all along by Macro$uck. If he can make a few bucks doing it, then more power to him! So far as I'm concerned, all those frustrated Winblows users who have to buy his course ought to send their bills to His Gatesness and let him make the payment!
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« Reply #7 on: 16 December 2001, 23:13 »
Hey all,

I have only been using Mandrake 8.1 since Friday (Dec. 14) and I love it. I'm a long time Dos user (since dos 3) and I found Mandrake both easy to install and use and stable.

As for as hardware compstibility this computer is a Built for Win 98 computer. I followed Mandrake's pre-install directions. The only hardware Mandrake did not find was the PCTel Win-modem which I don't use anyway. I connect to the internet through my network so that isn't a problem at all.

Much like jtpenrod I grew tired of Microsoft's crap and began looking for a better alternative OS that would be stable and compatible with a windows network. I tried Winlinux first and it was neither stable nor could I connect to my windows network so I would not recommend it to anyone.

However my faith has been more than restored in alternate OS's with Mandrake.

I am playing with different Desktops and browsers now. The KDE seems to be the most powerful desktop although Gnome seems to be the easiest to use. I like both the Konquer and Galeon browsers. I have never been a fan of Netscape although I love the Mozilla engine. So under windows I mostly used Mozilla with an occasional use of IE.
 
Under Mandrake it even turns off the numlock during shutdown which Windows never did. Mandrake even has software shutdown which is great for this Built for MS comp because there is NO OFF button.

Once I feel that I am sufficently proficient with Mandrake I am considering putting it on my wifes computer also. That way I will be able to teach her the ins and outs of Linux. She got a  virus recently and with Linux that will not be a problem.

At some point down the road I may even try my hand at development but I think that is still a ways off. I have a large amount to learn before I ever start developing anything.

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« Reply #8 on: 16 December 2001, 23:31 »
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At some point down the road I may even try my hand at development but I think that is still a ways off. I have a large amount to learn before I ever start developing anything.



Good for you Centurian!  But let me make a suggestion.  If you are interested in depeloping at some point down the road (and even if you are not) don't wait.  I would suggest starting with shell programming.  Search the net for some bash or ksh programming tutorials.  

Shell scripts are similar to batch files in MS but much more powerful of course and you will very soon see the advantages of *NIX and learn more about your system in the process.  Your brain will surely kick into gear shortly after and your life will start getting much easier from this point on.

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« Reply #9 on: 17 December 2001, 04:28 »
Hey VoidMain,

Thanks for the tip. Batch programming was how I started under Dos, then moved up through Basic, Pascal, Delphi, C, C++, Asm and a few others. I will start looking for a bash programming tutorial and see what I can gain.  

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« Reply #10 on: 17 December 2001, 04:49 »
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Hey VoidMain,

Thanks for the tip. Batch programming was how I started under Dos, then moved up through Basic, Pascal, Delphi, C, C++, Asm and a few others. I will start looking for a bash programming tutorial and see what I can gain.      

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I used to love the Borland products under DOS (TurboPascal and TurboC++, TASM, etc..).  I'm not a big fan of Windows programming although I have written a few Win* apps using Delphi, VB, and VisualC.  

I have probably done an equal amount of work in both *NIX and Win* in the last 10 years (but have 15 years of MS experience) and I'm really at the point now where I don't want to see another Win* box. I've done a LOT of Batch scripting but in the last few years I have found the easiest thing for me, and to be more portable was to install Perl on all the NT boxes and do all my scripting in Perl.  I have even written several NT services in Perl, a job scheduler for one because NT's job scheduler just plain sucks. Used to multitask in DOS using Quarterdeck's DesqView before there was a Win* to run multiple dialup BBS nodes.

Sounds like we have similar pasts with the exception I have had a head start in UNIX.  Back in the early days of DOS, Linux had not yet made it's way out of the bag so for home PC types, DOS was about it.  I used UNIX on large midrange systems and MVS/TSO/VM on Mainframes (was a mainframe programmer before getting into UNIX, I quickly got out of the mainframe business after seeing the light).  

Linux came along and after about 6 months of playing with it in 1993 I set up our entire programming department with Linux/Xwindows and dual boot into DOS/WIN31. It worked well as an inexpensive X console capable of displaying apps from the big commercial servers.  Lot cheaper and performed better. Plus a certain amount of development could be done right on the PCs and then ported to the commercial boxes.

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« Reply #11 on: 17 December 2001, 21:44 »
Hey VoidMain,

I loved TP and TC also. I still have a copy of TP 7.0 laying around somewhere. Still use it occasionally also.  

Sounds like we did have simular backgrounds for a time anyway. Until 89 I had never touched a computer then I was severly injured. After that I began "Computin". I had a single node BBS myself that I ran Desqview on. That way I could do other stuff without dropping the bbs.

I never had cause to work on a mainframe. Mostly I wrote databases and other business apps for organizations. Eventually I got to the point where I could not stand to look at another database so I quit. I have enough to live on so I'm retired more or less. Now I'm kinda between things but I'm very interested in writing games. I would like very much to make some kick ass games for Linux. However that will take some time as I still have alot to learn before I can seriously consider writing anything.

Although I have already been looking at some of the game engines available for Linux. Some of them may work very well for my needs. I'm considering trying out Free Pascal have you ever used it? If so do you have any suggestions about it either positive or negative? I would appreciate any input about it such as speed of app's, difficultly level, how does it compare to  Turbo Pascal and/or Delphi?  Part of the downside   to Free Pascal is it appears to be fully Object Oriented and I really prefer something that isn't OO. Are there any non-OO OpenGL wrappers out there for use under Linux?

Oh well gues I have rambled on enough for now.

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« Reply #12 on: 17 December 2001, 10:27 »
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Although I have already been looking at some of the game engines available for Linux. Some of them may work very well for my needs. I'm considering trying out Free Pascal have you ever used it? If so do you have any suggestions about it either positive or negative? I would appreciate any input about it such as speed of app's, difficultly level, how does it compare to  Turbo Pascal and/or Delphi?  Part of the downside   to Free Pascal is it appears to be fully Object Oriented and I really prefer something that isn't OO. Are there any non-OO OpenGL wrappers out there for use under Linux?



Well, if you want to write games for Linux (or any other OS for that matter) I would think C/C++ would be the language of choice. GCC (the GNU C/C++ Compiler) is widely renowned and runs on just about every operating system.  GNU software is free and open source.  They also put out a Pascal compiler (GPC), Fortran compiler, and compilers for several other languages. You might want to give GPC a try if you want to get back into Pascal. It claims to be highly compatible to Borland Pascal version 7.  GNU web site is http://www.gnu.org/ but you may have a GPC RPM on your Mandrake CDs.  If not, the home site for GPC is: http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~gnu-pascal/

In fact it's been a while since I used GPC, maybe you've sparked me to see how much I remember!  
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« Reply #13 on: 17 December 2001, 20:45 »
Hey VoidMain,

Thanks for the GPC tip. I will check it out and see what I think.

LOL sounds like you have the programming bug.  

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« Reply #14 on: 17 December 2001, 22:36 »
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Hey VoidMain,

Thanks for the GPC tip. I will check it out and see what I think.

LOL sounds like you have the programming bug.    

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I downloaded it and have tested it. There are a couple of IDEs that look *very* much like Turbo.  It does work but I think I'll stick with C.  If you are looking for a "visual" environment for C in Linux, "kdevelop" is pretty awesome.  Much like Visual C.  Can generate KDE and/or QT apps (or basic C programs).
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