vmware

[Stryker]

VOIDMAIN:
Its okay now you can stop fixing it all, it will all be fine  

Does anyone know that if you can have Windows networked to Linux(running vmware to run windows) without having network media (but still a network card). Or can you do it without a network card? Or do I at least need to be plugged into a hub or something? or perhaps 2 network cards with a crossover cable? what are the rules as far as networking the two?

[ November 15, 2002: Message edited by: Ex Eleven / b0b 2.1 ]

[KernelPanic]

could you clarify what you mean, do you want this:

Windows <-----> Windows on vmware

[Stryker]

quote:Originally posted by Tux:
could you clarify what you mean, do you want this:

Windows <-----> Windows on vmware

Oh god no, i'd have to shoot myself. I am running windows on my machine and linux through vmware... i'll be doing it vise-versa later, but this is to get a friend used to linux. What I would like to do is show the networking power of linux by allowing it to communicate to the windows os that is running. My question is do I need to use my network card or can it emulate one?

[Master of Reality]

how are the two computers going to be networked if there is no network card????????????

[Stryker]

Because linux isn't being run on a machine by itself, it's being run through vmware on the same machine at the same time.

[voidmain]

I could be wrong, but I believe you at least need the NIC. It also may have to be plugged into something (a hub) and have a link light. But you should be able to network the Linux guest with the windows host without having any other computers on the network. Actually, I don't believe the card would have to be plugged in to anything but I am not sure.

The only way I can think of that would allow you to network the two without a network card is if you could use your loopback device as a network card. Might want to search VMware's site or google to see if it is possible.

[ November 08, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[hm_murdock]

wow. that's madness. I can network Mac OS and Windows in VPC 5 without using any hardware. VMWare would require you to go out from one card and into another in the SAME MACHINE?!?

I understand that VMWare isn't the same as VPC, but if they can abstract networking hardware in a PC emulator, certainly they can do it inside of a single PC?!?

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by The Jimmy James X 10.3.6 / Bob:
wow. that's madness. I can network Mac OS and Windows in VPC 5 without using any hardware. VMWare would require you to go out from one card and into another in the SAME MACHINE?!?

No, only one NIC is needed. I run several OSs at the same time on one machine with one NIC. They all appear on my network as a separate machine and they all can talk to each other as if they were on their own hardware.  I just don't know if you can do it without a NIC, although it should be possible using the loopback interface (software).

Actually I just did a little research on VMware's web site and I believe if you do a "Host Only" network setup you would not need a NIC. In the few years of using VMware I have never set it up as "Host Only" as testing networking on different OSs is my primary need for VMware.

http://www.vmware.com/support/ws3/doc/ws32_network2.html#1008276

[ November 08, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[Stryker]

I got it. I didn't see the hardware place... I just added a network card (not physically... but in the options) and chose to go host-only and it works great. The only thing I had to be sure to do was change it off of dhcp. I took out my network card and it still worked fine so i'm sure that aspect isn't much different from VPC or what it was you were talking about on the mac. I'm loving this vmware though... i'll probably buy it.

[voidmain]

It may not be a worthwhile investment for everyone but it sure was for me. I prefer to run Linux as my host OS though and then install other OSs in their own VMware sessions.

[ November 09, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[Stryker]

quote:Originally posted by void main:
It may not be a worthwhile investment for everyone but it sure was for me. I prefer to run Linux as my host OS though and then install other OSs in their own VMware sessions.

[ November 09, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

Yeah I'm getting the linux one now. But do you think it will be able to work my winmodem? I'll find out in about an hour but i'm just curious on your thoughts.

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by Stryker:


Yeah I'm getting the linux one now. But do you think it will be able to work my winmodem? I'll find out in about an hour but i'm just curious on your thoughts.

Only if Linux can recognize it which it probably can't. What the hell are you doing with a winmodem?!?!  

[ November 09, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[Stryker]

quote:Originally posted by void main:


Only if Linux can recognize it which it probably can't. What the hell are you doing with a winmodem?!?!      

[ November 09, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

It's built into the laptop. Technically it is not a winmodem... linux sees it on com2, but it can't use it. The modem uses an unusual language but it's all described in this book that came with the laptop. I could probably get it working in linux if i customized the init, answer, no answer, busy, and all those other goodies according to what the book says. But i've never tried.

[voidmain]

If the Linux host can see it (on ttyS1) then that's all that should be necessary. You can tell VMware to map COM2 to /dev/ttyS1 for Windows. Then you should be able to install the Windows drivers in the Windows guest and use it just like Windows was talking to it natively.