Deuglifying Debian

[asdf]

I've been through the HOWTO's several times, I've surfed the web, I've tried everything.. but some things still aren't working.

Two main issues here:
1) The fonts look ugly. I installed some TrueType fonts, but there are two things wrong here- (a) the default font size is wayyyy to big. Where do I set it? and (b) small anti-aliased fonts look really ugly. How can I tell X to not anti-alias the small fonts?

2) Where can I change the widget set? I used to use Red Hat, and I forgot what I did to select my widget set. I just installed Debian/woody, and I'm stuck with a Motif-style widget set (which isn't bad, but I'd like to change it).

Thanks.

[mskarl]

Look at VoidMan's posts.

http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000125

Also what OS are you running?

[asdf]

Yes, I've read VoidMain's posts as well. They're very helpful, but that didn't help this situation. I want to get rid of the antialiasing (for the small fonts).. I already have the TrueType fonts installed. And they're way too big.

From the name of this topic, you could tell that I'm running Debian  
Woody to be exact.

[voidmain]

Are you using "xfs" (font server) or do you have the font paths individually listed in your XF86Config-4?  If they are individually listed do you have the 100dpi fonts listed before the 75dpi fonts?  If so switch the order around and see if that has an effect. Also you don't mention which Window manager you are using. It would be a very helpful piece of information to have as they all handle the setting of default fonts differently. I don't know if there is a way (without hacking the XFree code) to tell it not to antialias some fonts/sizes and not others but I would be willing to bet if there was it would be in a document on http://www.xfree.org. When I get a little free time I'll look into it, if you can not find the answer.

Actually, I just did a google search and ran across this document:

http://www.cpdrummond.uklinux.net/kfontinst/docs/font-installer.html

which would indicate that you *can* tell X not to antialias certain font sizes. The document itself may not solve your problem but at least it indicates you should be able to solve it. I have a feeling though that it is possible that the smaller fonts you mention are not being antialiased which is why they look uglier.  I have the same issue. I am curious to see what the smaller fonts look like if I turn on antialias for them.  I'll let you know what I come up with..

[ March 30, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]

[asdf]

I'm using xfs and I have the 100dpi fonts above the 75 dpi. I'm running fluxbox.

And now that I look at it, I think the problem is the TrueType fonts. I got rid of them, and the fonts that are used in place of them look just fine (of course the fonts look completely different but that's another story). So I'm thinking that its the fact that X antialiases the TrueType fonts. If I find out how I can tell X to not antialias these fonts, I'll post here.

[gnomez]

I don't think X windows has support for Anti-aliased fonts by itself.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but you need QT/KDE for anti-aliased fonts.. for instance you can't have AA fonts in blackbox or enlightenment.  Am I correct in saying this?

[asdf]

It seems that it does, because the fonts are antialiased (I didn't install KDE or GNOME). I want certain fonts not to be antialiased, because they look blurred and ugly.

The default font sizes are still too big, and the widget set is still weird-looking.. any suggestions on these?

[voidmain]

Did you try moving the 75dpi font line ahead of your 100dpi font line in your xfs config?  That won't solve the truetype problem but it should solve the problem of the default fonts being too large..

[asdf]

Yes that would work, but the TrueType default sizes are too large.

[asdf]

After a little more experimentation, I made a little discovery.

Mozilla finds fonts on its own. I disabled freetype and shut down xfs so there would be no trace of TrueType fonts. Yet when I start up Mozilla, it's able to find the TrueType fonts. Not only that, it makes them ugly too!

That leads me to my question - does anybody know of a way to get mozilla to -not- antialias fonts?