Is UNIX dying?

[rtgwbmsr]

With the exception of the Darwin core...this article may be right    

http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/03/01/23/030123hnunixdeath.xml

 

quote: LinuxWorld: The death of Unix?

By Tom Sullivan
January 23, 2003 4:15 pm PT

NEW YORK -- An underlying theme at this year's LinuxWorld conference here is whether or not the stalwart Unix operating systems are still alive and kicking.

Not everyone believes so.

" Unix is dead," said Randy Mott, CIO and senior vice president of Dell, in a keynote address on Thursday.

Still, it is an argument that only recently is coming of age from a technology standpoint, and with the massive installed base of Unix systems, it is an area where those proclaiming Unix demise will have to make a solid case.

Mott's declaration, however, comes on the heels of a Goldman Sachs report issued earlier this month predicting that due to market demands and technical improvements Linux is poised to become the dominant operating system even in high-end datacenters and, in so doing, will have a greater impact on Unix than it does on Windows.

"As you think about the challenges here, it's really about the challenges with proprietary operating systems," Mott said. "Just as important is the [challenge with] proprietary hardware."

Analyst firm IDC, in Framingham, Mass, issued a report saying that Linux servers are ready to take on new roles with corporations, including hosting databases, as well as being application services for Web-enabled applications and acting as platforms for transaction applications.

There is little disputing that Linux has garnered considerable momentum, and a number of companies, large and small alike, brought forth new or updated products at the show designed to bolster Linux capabilities and presence at the enterprise level.

IBM, for instance, issued a beta of a 64-bit version of its DB2 database for Linux and running on chips from AMD. Red Hat introduced a systems management framework, while Computer Associates announced the formation of an internal Linux technology group, as well as a raft of new products. UnitedLinux announced here on Wednesday a software developer's program intended to better equip ISVs with the resources to port, test, and create solutions backed by the Linux consortium.

The most obvious and immediate reason for IT shops to choose Linux over Unix is the upfront cost.

"The cost-savings opportunities are the name of the game. That is going to change the industry," said Michael Tiemann, CTO of Red Hat, based in Raleigh, N.C.

Other immediate benefits that Linux has over Unix include the ability to tap into the open-source community for access to feature upgrades and security fixes. Furthermore, a stack of open-source technologies has loosely formed, known as LAMP and consisting of Linux as the operating system, the Apache Web server, MySQL database, and PHP programming language, that can compete on some levels with proprietary Unix-based stacks.

Some customers indeed are embracing Linux. Burlington Coat Factory, based in Burlington, N.J., has deployed Linux desktops, according to Mike Prince, CIO of Burlington Coat Factory. Prince explained that Linux has served the company well, but in specific, tightly locked-down scenarios.

Even still, not everyone agrees that Unix's time has come.

Sun Microsystems, for instance, said here at the show that it is still supporting Solaris, its Unix operating system. The Palo Alto, Calif.-based company, in fact, said that the main competition for Linux comes not from Unix, but rather from Windows -- on both desktops and servers.

Sun, however, is staking its claim in both camps. The company also used LinuxWorld to announce that some of its products, including Sun ONE (Open Net Environment) application and directory servers, are now available on Linux.

"The idea that Linux obliterates Unix is dead wrong," said Jonathan Schwartz, vice president of software at Sun.

[voidmain]

Whoops, wrong thread. Ignore my post...

[ January 24, 2003: Message edited by: void main ]

[flap]

And this is a problem how...?
The point of the article is simply that free unices, in particular GNU/Linux, may be taking over from proprietary ones. Which is a good thing.

[ January 24, 2003: Message edited by: flap ]

[Crunchy(Cracked)Butter]

I can only hope that UNIX/Linux and anything else that operates using nix works perfectly well for years to come and windows just gets pushed aside!

If Linux does take over UNIX and apache becomes the standard instead of ISS,now wouldn't that piss MS off?  Lovely!

[pkd_lives]

I think this may just be a spur for BSD to change it's license to GPL. If that happened Unix would most certainly not die. I know it's open, but the BSD license could do with opening up and getting some recognition back for it's contribution to the computing world. And stop other companies living off of their work without putting anything back to the community.

I know Calum and I went back and forth about this a long time ago, it requires BSD to open to the GPL. Imagine if that forced M$ to open there code, we'ed know if they were breaking copyright laws straight away.

Isn't that the essential difference between Linux and Unix, the license type?

[ January 24, 2003: Message edited by: Linux Frank ]

[flap]

All the article saying is that Solaris etc. are losing ground to Linux. The article's about proprietary unices losing market share and Linux gaining, that's all. It's not important which Operating Systems are/are not officially acknowledged as being 'Unix'. The difference between Linux and Unix, or rather why Linux is not 'Unix', is just a question of classification i.e. Linux has not been officially classified as Unix, but that really is unimportant. And it's nothing to do with licences; it's just technical.

And if BSD code was now GPL'd it wouldn't retroactively apply to the BSD stuff already in Windows etc.

[ January 24, 2003: Message edited by: flap ]

[WinXP user #8238942622357]

good. UNIX dies first and then Linux GO MICROSOFT!   :cool:

[pkd_lives]

Flap - That is most certainly what the article is showing, that prorietary code loses out to OSS. It is a blueprint for things to come. As people realise Linux will do what they want, it will eat into all the proprietary formats.

I know it would not apply retroactively, however improvements would not be available to non GPL'd code, if they released it under GPL.

I know this is not likely to happen, and you can't moan at a guy for wishing certain things can happen. Until it does I'll use Linux and be happy with it, after all it does what I want and need far better than any other OS I have ever used. Which is why it is conquering the world AND DESTROYING ALL THAT STANDS IN ITS WAY - BEWARE THE MIGHT OF LINUX FOR ALL SHALL COME UNDER ITS LICENSE AGREEMENT. Yes...well...time for some dried frog pills.

[ January 24, 2003: Message edited by: Linux Frank ]

[5amYan]

I don't think UNIX or Linux are going anywhere for a while.  Other than forward.

Linux is a UNIX clone, I beleive in fact it was originally a Minix clone.  It is a kernel not an Operating System.

Apache is already the Standard for webservers, not IIS

checkout netcraft's site look for the servers with the logest uptimes.  Most of them are BSD based.

I have FreeBSD on systems that RH won't install on cuz it says there isn't enough meory.

Look for MicroShaft (and others) to kill free software another way.  They will try to get proprietary code and protocols into standards and then disallow the use those proprietary protocols in conjunction with free software.  Two they will change the EULA to disallow freesoftware use or interactions with their software.  THis is already in some component EULAs.  Also once you start using M$ media player 9 you have granted them digital rights management at microsoft.  That is the right to manage all the files on your computer.  In the near future they will then lock any file not created by a M$ approved program....
and et cetera.

[Doogee]

stop bumping old topics, damnit so old, and your pusing my topic further and further down, now thats just not nice.