Attention RedHat Users

[voidmain]

For all of those who are using RedHat and for those who are thinking about using RedHat I *highly* recommend browsing through the online documentation. I haven't done it in quite some time but there are some exellent resources there. Here is the list of RedHat 8.0 manuals:

http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/

There are manuals for all of the other versions as well. But for those that are already using RedHat I would highly recommend at least browsing and getting familiar with the "Customization Guide", the "Security Guide", and the "System Administrator Primer", and the "Reference Guide". For those who are thinking about installing RedHat start out with the "Installation Guide". I found them chock full of answers to questions I have seen on this forum many many times. At least get familiar with what is there so you'll know where to go when you need it. Enjoy!

[voidmain]

Hey, even the "Getting Started Guide" looks useful to both new and old, especially for all the changes with RedHat 8.0.

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Now I have a question. Everything seems to have gotten so GUI in RH8. I used to use KDE and it was easy to right click on a desktop shortcut ICON and view/change the properties. It seems in Gnome/BlueCurve I can not do this. It's no problem because I can go into ~/.gnome-desktop and "vim" them. There has to be a nice graphical way to do this doesn't there? What am I missing? I didn't see it anywhere in the Getting Started guide so I assume the ability does not exist.

The only way I have been able to do it graphically was to drag the desktop ICON to the panel, right click the ICON in the panel which does allow you to change the properities, then drag it back to the desktop, then delete the old desktop ICON and the panel ICON. Pretty ugly, there *must* be an easier way... Be damned if I can figure it out. Damn GUIs.    
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I've come to the conclusion that they just don't want you putting ICONs on the desktop. Fortunately it's easy to add panels (I set them to autohide and shrink them down). I will start putting all my shortcut ICONs on these panels.
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[ November 22, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[Master of Reality]

use KDE!!

[voidmain]

Actually I like the panels more and more now that I use them. I never click on Desktop ICONS anyway because I have to move stuff out of the way in order to do that. The autohiding panels are perfect! But I would consider going back to KDE if you can tell me how to fix the Konqueror fonts that RedHat has screwed up so nicely. And I don't want to have to uninstall the BlueCurve version and install a stock KDE.

[Master of Reality]

you must mean this problem??? I dont see anything wrong, but i prefer Mozilla anyway.

[ November 22, 2002: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / B0B ]

[voidmain]

Wow, yours doesn't look half bad. Is that the stock RedHat 8.0 install of KDE? No customizations? Wonder why my fonts looked so screwed up? They were *perfect* in the downloaded, non-redhat version of KDE. Very strange... unless maybe it picked up some of my old fonts on other partitions like RH73, Windows98/2K but I am pretty sure it doesn't add font directories from outside the install area automatically, in fact I am positive it doesn't (I think).    

Go to the forum index and take another screen shot, I want to see that one. I think that's where it really looks messed up.

[ November 22, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[Master of Reality]

i changed the font to Times and change the medium font size to 12.

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by The Master of Reality / B0B:
i changed the font to Times and change the medium font size to 12.

That's weird, I started Konqueror from within Gnome and looked at the "Appearance" settings from within the Konqueror Web Browser preferences and Times isn't even one of the fonts listed. Maybe that has something to do with it. I will have to log in to KDE and see if it is missing there. Did you install the Times TTF from your Windows partition or was it already there?

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Nope, just logged in to KDE and Times is nowhere to be found. That's probably the difference. I did  at one time install my Windows fonts which would have included Times but that caused all of my other fonts to look crappy so I took them back out. What changes if any did you do to get Times?
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I assume you used your Windows Times TTF fonts so I created a ~/.fonts directory and copied my /c/windows/fonts/times* to that directory. The Times fonts then showed up in my list but even after selecting Times in Konqueror and setting the size to 10 it looks like complete crap. It didn't used to be this way in the stock KDE 3.x. Oh well, I'm sticking with Gnome/BlueCurve for a little while longer. They both are very good.
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[ November 22, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[slave]

quote: posted by void main:
Now I have a question. Everything seems to have gotten so GUI in RH8. I used to use KDE and it was easy to right click on a desktop shortcut ICON and view/change the properties. It seems in Gnome/BlueCurve I can not do this. It's no problem because I can go into ~/.gnome-desktop and "vim" them. There has to be a nice graphical way to do this doesn't there? What am I missing? I didn't see it anywhere in the Getting Started guide so I assume the ability does not exist.

Nope, you're not missing anything.  GNOME 2 lacks some features.  It will kick ass by version 2.2 however!

As for KDE fonts, well, I don't use KDE so I don't know.  I mean who would use KDE with a GNOME-based distribution?  Use SUSE or Gentoo if you want KDE.  Or simply install the stock KDE RPMs and not Red Hat's.

[Crunchy(Cracked)Butter]

to make life easier, Suse include a font installer.  Does Redhat have something like this?  Personally i love verdana so i had to have it and not everything uses it excpet mozilla which just wants to be anti social by rendering the fonts really really small.

[voidmain]

RedHat removed the font installer for KDE 3.x. However, all you have to do is create a ~/.fonts and dump all your *.ttf files in there and they will all be detected immediately with no further action. And thanks for the info LU. Like I said, it's not a big deal, I think I like the panel way better. I've always thrown ICONs on the desktop and now that I think about it, they never got used. Nothing more than clutter really.

[KernelPanic]

what I did in redhat was copy all my *.ttf's to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF and then restart xfs with

/etc/rc.d/init.d/xfs restart

and then I restarted X and had my fonts. Just an alternate method....

[KernelPanic]

Hmm, my fonts aren't availiable to konqueror though. I don't care I wanted them for OO.

[Crunchy(Cracked)Butter]

Not directed at anybody but.  Over here in europe there is a different version of RH 8 personal, it comes with a bonus cd containing all the multimedia apps that are not normally available.  Whats the point in the 2 versions.

Seeing this i might get it now.  If you didn't know anyway then point your browsers to www.europe.redhat.com/shop/en . Look in the comparision section and there it is.  Like i said i might get it now.  But what i want to know is is this extra cd going to be part of the install process or is there some update feature in RH like YAST2  that way its easy to install these extra apps?  I ask because i'm not to good on installing linux apps yet and wonder if RH does it for me?

[choasforages]

fot the fonts, this should work. go over to a coworkers windows machine, and search for .ttf files and burn them to cd, when the cd is done burning/*or if you have a network connect, use a little bit of magic to get the files back to the linux machine*/, go take a shower to get the windows scumm off of you, and stick cd in the linux box and copy the .ttf files in a directy, lets say in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF

then tell your xfs server to were those files are, the config file is normaly in /etc/X11/fs/config
restart X and xfs and you should have all the nice windows fonts and that might help/*imho the best part of windows and it did help for somewebsites*/

in addition to that, i normally install all the fonts for X i can


also for icons, i don't know what they were thinking when they designed it that way. but i will try to use more panels and see if the experiance is better