TCPA/Palladium cut from Longhorn

[PseudoRandomDragon]

http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=49936

I hope this is true. HORRAY! That TCPA in hardware thing would really piss me off.

[Xeen]

YAY!! But what the fuck is No Execute techonoloy?

[Lime]

quote: Some attacks by malicious software leverage software
vulnerabilities that allow too much data to be copied into areas
of the computer's memory. These vulnerabilities are typically
referred to as buffer overruns. Although no single technique can
completely eliminate this type of vulnerability, Microsoft is
employing a number of security technologies to mitigate these
attacks from different angles. First, core Windows components
are being recompiled with the most recent version of our
compiler technology to help mitigate against buffer overruns.

Additionally, Microsoft is working with microprocessor companies
to help Windows support hardware-enforced "no execute" (or NX)
on microprocessors that contain the feature. NX uses the CPU
itself to enforce the separation of application code and data,
preventing an application or Windows component from executing
program code that an attacking worm or virus inserted into a
portion of memory marked for data only.

And, http://www.iunknown.com/000368.html
 

quote: Scoble just posted a link to the Developer's View of Windows XP SP2. It's worth reading the section on the new memory protection features in SP2, specifically the No-Execute (NX) flag. It requires hardware support from the CPU, specifically the ability to set a no-execute flag on each virtual page. This would effectively make it impossible to execute code that was injected via a buffer overrun attack on a data page. Currently the only CPU's that implement this feature are AMD's K8 and Intel Itanium processors, but "it is expected that future 32 and 64-bit processors will provide execution protection. Microsoft is preparing for and encouraging this trend by supporting execution protection in its flagship Windows operating systems."

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwxp/html/securityinxpsp2.asp

[WMD]

Um...

http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/05/1520224.shtml?tid=109&tid=126&tid=172&tid=185&tid=187&tid=190&tid=201

Sorry guys.  MS has denied it completely.

[Lime]

Well then, if "palladium" or whatever they call it now bothers you so much, don't use Longhorn.

[Xeen]

quote:Originally posted by Lime:
Well then, if "palladium" or whatever they call it now bothers you so much, don't use Longhorn.

Easier said than done buddy. That shit aint ever coming anywhere near my PC, but unfortunately the sheepish Microsoft world will embrace Longhorn as "a cool new innovative awesome" OS and the MS monopoly will continue.

[Lime]

They probably will, but the minute palladium prevents a user from doing something, or locks them out of some software, or does soemthing that the user does not want to happen, I can see them looking for a new system. Or palladium won't be a big deal at all, and longhorn will actually end up being somewhat decent. Who knows buddy.

[ May 05, 2004: Message edited by: Lime ]

[PseudoRandomDragon]

Kind-a saw that coming. If it is too good to be true, it probably is. They can put as much DRM and Pallashit into Longhorn/WinXP, I don't care. TCPA is what really ticks me off. I don't want TCPA hardware on my system.

Hmmm, this reminds me of something...

oh yeah, remember when they forced IE on OEMs? Looks like they are going to force TCPA on OEMs. History repeats.

[ May 05, 2004: Message edited by: PseudoRandom Dragon ]

[Xeen]

quote:Originally posted by PseudoRandom Dragon:
oh yeah, remember when they forced IE on OEMs? Looks like they are going to force TCPA on OEMs. History repeats.

[ May 05, 2004: Message edited by: PseudoRandom Dragon ]

What do you mean?

[flap]

quote:Originally posted by Lime:
They probably will, but the minute palladium prevents a user from doing something, or locks them out of some software, or does soemthing that the user does not want to happen, I can see them looking for a new system. Or palladium won't be a big deal at all, and longhorn will actually end up being somewhat decent. Who knows buddy.

Windows has been consistently 'doing things the user doesn't want to happen' from the beginning. Unfortunately lots of people tend to just live with it. Viruses being the best example. Buddy.

[ May 06, 2004: Message edited by: flap ]

[PseudoRandomDragon]

xeen, what I mean is...lets take Dell as an example. Even if they decide that TCPA sucks, TCPA is what M$ wants. Microsoft can just tell Dell that if they don't include TCPA, they won't sell them the next version of Windows.

[hm_murdock]

quote:HORRAY!

Hooray, as well.

[timothygr]

Welcome back JJ, where have you been all this time?
Do not even think of leaving this forum.

hooray, too.

[Calum]

quote:Originally posted by PseudoRandom Dragon:
xeen, what I mean is...lets take Dell as an example. Even if they decide that TCPA sucks, TCPA is what M$ wants. Microsoft can just tell Dell that if they don't include TCPA, they won't sell them the next version of Windows.

<sarcasm>oh no! i won't be able to sell microsoft windows to the sheep any more!</sarcasm>

in fact i would be smiling if this actually happened and dell lost money over it, those moronic idiots.

[Xeen]

quote:Originally posted by Calum is NOT a moderator:


<sarcasm>oh no! i won't be able to sell microsoft windows to the sheep any more!</sarcasm>

in fact i would be smiling if this actually happened and dell lost money over it, those moronic idiots.

hey..its a business. They might not like what they sell but if they dont sell it they're out of business.