RH 8.0 & networking problems

[voidmain]

Damn it! I can't keep it straight who on this forum has what equipment. I was thinking you had DSL. Ignore the PPPoE question. And yes I've only had about an hour of sleep in the last 48. It's 4:30am here. I'm going to bed. G'nite!

[Ice-9]

Good night!    
And thanks again for all the support!!

[Doogee]

err i use DHCP for adsl, in fact i dont even know what PPPoE or whatever it is.

[Ice-9]

PPPoE is Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet or something like that.
And as I understand it, xDSL can use DHCP or PPPoE but cable never uses PPPoE.

[pkd_lives]

Hey Ice 9. Don't know if it helps any, but I was trying to configure my internet connection in 8.0, and basically you do not need to configure your network card to use the internet.

see this thread.

http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=001252

I don't know if you saw it, but if all you are trying to do is get your Interent on the go it might help (you would use cable not xDSL of course).

[Ice-9]

thanks, but I think I basically did all the things mentioned in that thread.
At first my Nic wasn't configured and it tried to connect to the Red hat network, it failed.
I thought it was because it needed some additional configuration, which I did, more and more.
Nothing helped.
I've found drivers from Intel for both my Nic's, plus some other stuff I can try to edit.
I'll try all that when I get home in about 2 hours.

Thanks anyway  

[Ice-9]

Okay, I'm slowly but surely getting tired of this.
earlier today I posted a message saying that everything was ok, IT'S NOT!!!!!!!
When I booted my pc after geeting home from work it was ok.

But I booted Windows to race a little (no probs) and when I wanted to get back in Red Hat it said
"Determining IP information for eth0 _____ Failed"
Now I'm still in Linux, I rebooted Windows, got my IP, Subnet, Gateway, everything I needed and entered that as static IP in Red Hat, it worked.

But I also noticed that the last line I got with ipconfig -all said
"Lease obtained on Tuesday 26
Lease expires on Wednesday 27"

So that means that as from later on today I'm f*cked again?
Will I have to manually change my settings every time I boot into Windows and want to come back to Red Hat, knowing that this very setup worked (almost) flawlessly on 3 other distros??

This can't be, I can already tell that I will grow tired of it very fast and throw away this pack of horseshit, which otherwise looks great, responds fine, etc... so it would really be a shame.

Is there anything else I could try? Anyone?

Thanks already.

[voidmain]

When you say "pack of horse shit" I assume you are referring to XP right? It sounds like if you get rid of XP your problem will be solved since it's only when you boot into XP do you have a problem when you come back. Resetting your Cable modem with your computer turned off didn't help I take it.

[Ice-9]

Actually I was not referring to XP at all, I use Win2K from time to time and chicken will have teeth before I install XP!      
In fact, it makes me even more mad, because if it wasn't for this eth0 crap this distro would be IT.

And you're right the problem occurs when I boot into Windows first, but then again today I did the opposite, booted Red Hat first -> worked, then booted Windows -> worked, then booted Red Hat -> failed, rebooted Windows -> worked.

I didn't even try to unplug my cable modem since it worked immediately today, from what I've seen so far with the static IP thing working, it might help but surely I'm not gonna have to unplug the modem and wait for 10 minutes every time I have to reboot?

Is there any way in Linux to release your IP?
# ifdown eth0 ??

I know I had to do that a couple of times in Windows in the past, it was something like ipconfig release -all but I'm not quite sure anymore, would have to look that up.

[ November 26, 2002: Message edited by: Ice9 ]

[ November 26, 2002: Message edited by: Ice9 ]

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by Ice9:
I didn't even try to unplug my cable modem since it worked immediately today, from what I've seen so far with the static IP thing working, it might help but surely I'm not gonna have to unplug the modem and wait for 10 minutes every time I have to reboot?

Well, it might just take a simple reset. But what it will tell you is if it is an arp cache problem or not in your cable modem. I personally have an internal server that I run DHCP on and I can dual boot all day long using DHCP in RedHat and Windows without a problem.

     

quote:Is there any way in Linux to release your IP?
I know I had to do that a couple of times in Windows in the past, it was something like ipconfig release -all but I'm not quite sure anymore, would have to look that up.

Yes, you can do a "# /sbin/dhclient -r". In fact if you run that and then do an "# ifup eth0" and it works, you could just add the "release" command  to the top of your interface script.

Another thing you might want to check to determine if it is an arp issue is take note of the MAC address in all OSs you start on this machine. In Linux you can look at the Mac address by typing:

# ifconfig eth0

It's the one that says "HWaddr" and will be a 12 hex digit number in the form of "hh:hh:hh:hh:hh:hh". In Win2k you can find the MAC address by typing "ipconfig /all" and looking at the "Physical Address" line which will be a 12 digit hex number in the form of "hh-hh-hh-hh-hh-hh".

I would be interested to see if there is any difference between Win2k, RedHat 8.0 and RedHat 7.3. It should use the burned in address on the card by default but you *can* manually override this address. I am curious if one of the systems might be doing this automatically and causing your DHCP server to think it is another machine and try and issue you a new address.

Also, you can list the local arp cache in both Linux and Windows by doing an "arp -a". This will only show the arp cache of your PC and not the arp cache in your Cable modem but there is a slight chance it could give us another hint.

[ November 26, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[Ice-9]

I tried  /sbin/dhclient -r and it didn't work.
I tried unplugging my modem, wait for 10-15 min and it didn't work.
Then I went to bed, frustrated as hell.
Now it works, again, there are a few hours between boots ......

I just don't know what to do anymore, and I don't understand, that's what frustrating me the most!
I'd like to keep RH 8.0 because I find it to be the best distro I've used so far, appart from this problem that is.

I'll try to give my isp a call today, see if they can tell me why this is happening.
If not I'll reinstall and if it still doesn't work I guess it erasing time        

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Ice9 ]
 
Edit : I didn't see you added the Mac address piece.
It's the same in Win2K and In RH 8.0, I unbound it through the GUI and that didn't help either.
Here's what arp -a gives me:
[root@pandora root]# arp -a
D5E03001.kabel.telenet.be (ip address here) at 08:00:3E:17:62:52 [ether] on eth0

Don't know if that tells you anything?

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Ice9 ]

[ November 27, 2002: Message edited by: Ice9 ]

[voidmain]

Final note on this subject. We solved Ice9's DHCP issue in this thread:

http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=001311