KDE 3.0 has been released - Get It!

[InsomniacMike]

I just installed KDE 3.0 on my FreeBSD Desktop, and boy oh boy I'm loving it.  ( so far, it's been about 15 minutes )  Lol.

Also, I'd suggest you get a binary distribution if you could... having previously compiled KDE, it takes _HOURS_, even on my Athlon Thunderbird 950MHz.  Not that I'm saying my proc is the fastest in the world, but it's fairly decent.

I also prefer KDE over Gnome, but seeing as Sun will be shipping Gnome 2.0 as it's default windows environment when it comes out, I might want to check it out.

Good day to you all,
Mike

[voidmain]

Sun never did have a taste for a good desktop environment in my opinion. I never liked OpenWindows and I don't like CDE. I guess they're keeping up the tradition by putting on another window manager that I don't like. Oh well, they make money off of their equipment that has no need for a window manager running. I use a lot of Sun equipment but I prefer Linux on i386 with KDE or Enlightenment, or WindowMaker for my desktop. KDE 3.0 looks like it will be the choice for a while now. I've got 3 days on it now and I love it. Much better than 2.x.  Things are faster, cleaner and more functionality.

[ April 08, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]

[Calum]

i'm stuck with versions of KDE, GNOME, Enlightenment et cetera from last year    if not the year before in some cases...
not long now though, before i get the red hat 7.2 CDs (apparently mandrake 8.2 beta is possibly full of bugs according to mandrakesoft SA, so i might steer clear of it)
Hey, i tried to use kfm in GNOME, and it was not liking it at all, any idea of a window manager that can run in both KDE and GNOME? i suppose enlightenment does it, but i will never use half the flashy stuff in enlightenment, so i'd like to save my CPU some unnecessary turnover...
Just idle gossip, don't feel like you must answer my questions, all that is going to happen is i'll get red hat 7.2, and then i'll hunt down the latest window managers to try and get one i like.
Does the newest enlightenment come with red hat btw?

[Master of Reality]

i cant get KDE 3 to install.
How do i uninstall KDE 2 fully? I think i did "rpm -qa | grep KDE" and then "rpm -e" to each of the rpms listed, and their dependencies, but when i tried to install KDE 3 it said it has or needs a list of dependencies.

I tried isntalling red hat 7.2 without KDE or gnome, and when i downloaded kde 3 (from my ftp site that got a max of according to wget 6.98 Mb/s), and ran "rpm -Uvf *.rpm" in the directory i dled it to, it said that it has or needs a list dependencies or something.

Now re-installed Red Hat again (i need to majorly change where all the partions were, to get rid of windows this time) with KDE 2.X.

[ April 08, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]

[voidmain]

There will be a couple of non-critical dependencies after you remove all the kde2 stuff. (X11/Cards, and a couple more).  Once you get it to the point where you have kde removed you can change into the directory you downloaded kde3 and type:

rpm -Uvh *.rpm --nodeps --force

Worked for me on several machines already.

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by X11:



I still think Ximian GNOME RULES.

I installed Ximian Gnome the same time I isntalled Ximian Evolution. While I love Evolution, I still do not like Gnome.  But that's why there are many window managers. Everyone can be happy.

[Master of Reality]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i now have KDE 3.0 on my comp!!!!!
i see many little differences in the first 42 seconds i have been on, but suspect there is numerous changes.
                         :cool:    

[voidmain]

Master, if you haven't already tried out all the styles the combo I find most pleasing to this point is:

In KDE Control Center:
Style: Kerimak (Enable GUI effects, Translucent/Software Blend, Show ICONS on buttons)
Window Decoration: Glow
Icons: KDE Hi-Color Size: 32
Panel: Tiny, autohide, fast
Background: Walpaper/Scaled/only_k.jpg
System->LoginManager->Background: Walpaper/Scaled/kubical.jpg

And X set up at 1280x1024/32bit on a 19" monitor.

Just some things to play with. Let me know what you find interesting.

[Master of Reality]

quote:Originally posted by VoidMain:
Master, if you haven't already tried out all the styles the combo I find most pleasing to this point is:

In KDE Control Center:
Style: Kerimak (Enable GUI effects, Translucent/Software Blend, Show ICONS on buttons)
Window Decoration: Glow
Icons: KDE Hi-Color Size: 32
Panel: Tiny, autohide, fast
Background: Walpaper/Scaled/only_k.jpg
System->LoginManager->Background: Walpaper/Scaled/kubical.jpg

And X set up at 1280x1024/32bit on a 19" monitor.

Just some things to play with. Let me know what you find interesting.

sweet.
I'm using "slick" icons.
It runs a bit slow (well... not extremely fast), but that should all change April 20 when i plan to buy a new board, processor, sound, box, at a computer show in toronto.


I currently have a pentium MMX 233MHZ on an old board, with a 14" monitor 1024X768 24bit, with a starfighter PCI video card.

ps.
does "wget" really output correct dl speeds? A couple times throughout my download it claimed i got 6.98 Mb/s and my ISP say i can only get a max of 3Mb/s. Although i do beleive it when it said i was getting between 150 and 940 kb/s from that ftp server, must be a fast connection (perhaps close to my location).check out thess screenshots

[ April 09, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]

[ April 09, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]

[voidmain]

Slow? I haven't noticed anything slow with it yet of course the Laptop I use most of the time is an 800Mhz w/512MB RAM and my desktop is an Athalon 1600 w/512MB RAM and a Geforce3. I suppose some of the effects could eat up CPU and can be turned off if they seem sluggish.

As far as wget speed reporting I can't imagine that it would not be accurate. I mean figuring download speed isn't exactly rocket science. Although there are many reasons that some files could transfer very fast. For instance, if your provider (or you) use a caching proxy server and your files were cached, wget would pull them from the local proxy rather than downloading from the other side of the internet again. Another advantage of using http over ftp. Calculate it yourself using the "time" command:

time wget http://www.somewhere.com/downloads/largefile

You should get a timing report back, divide the "real" number into the size of the file and you will have your answer. Also make sure you realize whether you are working with bits(b)/bytes(B)/kilobits(Kb)/kilobytes(KB)/megabit(Mb)/megabyte(MB) and convert to common units when comparing with other file transfer methods.

Of course to be really accurate you would have to subtract the amount of time it takes for wget to connect and disconnect from the server but for large files this would be insignificant.

[ April 09, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]

[Calum]

there are some great links here!

That one from Master of Reality was a bit confusing, an angelfire page telling me that you couldn't externally link to that page, but VoidMain's one was great! click it and see what i mean!
"somewhere.com" indeed!

[Master of Reality]

quote:Originally posted by Calum:
there are some great links here!

That one from Master of Reality was a bit confusing, an angelfire page telling me that you couldn't externally link to that page, but VoidMain's one was great! click it and see what i mean!
"somewhere.com" indeed!

I fixed it. It now goes to my "screenshots" page, where you can go to a few different screenshots i took, and not just linking to the picture.
Go there NOW!!!
www.angelfire.com/ri2/42/images/

[Master of Reality]

how do i either configure my proxy to allow FTP, currently when i try any FTP sites i cant download anything because of my proxy server.
Or how do i use wget to download multiple files from HTTP sites, as you cannot use wildcards (eg. *.rpm) with HTTP.

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by Master of Reality:
how do i either configure my proxy to allow FTP, currently when i try any FTP sites i cant download anything because of my proxy server.
Or how do i use wget to download multiple files from HTTP sites, as you cannot use wildcards (eg. *.rpm) with HTTP.

You're masquerading correct?  Why run FTP through your proxy?  I only use the proxy for HTTP traffic. I let FTP through my firewall, only block HTTP. In your browser set it to only use the proxy for HTTP settings. Or if you really do want to use Squid to proxy FTP you can do that as well.  One advantage of proxying your FTP is that it will cache your FTP downloads so if you click on a link to download a file via FTP on one machine and go to another machine and click on the same link it will pull the file from your local proxy cache (VERY fast mind you).  As far as how to configure it, I don't recall having to change anything from the default squid.conf settings. You might want to change the "ftp_user" tag to something like "ftp_user [email protected]e" which is what squid will use as the login password for an anonymous login on your behalf.

One helpful thing to do when things aren't working the way you think they should is to look at the logs.  Do a "tail -20" on each of the log files (they can get quite large so I wouldn't load them in an editor). e.g. "tail -20 /var/log/squid/access.log".

[Master of Reality]

quote:Originally posted by VoidMain:


You're masquerading correct?  Why run FTP through your proxy?  I only use the proxy for HTTP traffic. I let FTP through my firewall, only block HTTP. In your browser set it to only use the proxy for HTTP settings. Or if you really do want to use Squid to proxy FTP you can do that as well.  One advantage of proxying your FTP is that it will cache your FTP downloads so if you click on a link to download a file via FTP on one machine and go to another machine and click on the same link it will pull the file from your local proxy cache (VERY fast mind you).  As far as how to configure it, I don't recall having to change anything from the default squid.conf settings. You might want to change the "ftp_user" tag to something like "ftp_user [email protected]e" which is what squid will use as the login password for an anonymous login on your behalf.

One helpful thing to do when things aren't working the way you think they should is to look at the logs.  Do a "tail -20" on each of the log files (they can get quite large so I wouldn't load them in an editor). e.g. "tail -20 /var/log/squid/access.log".

how do i not use a proxy with wget, isnt it "wget --proxy=off".
Maybe its not my proxy that is blocking it.
here is the message i get when i try to download something using wget from FTP:

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then it starts over, what do i do to fix that it is using an invalid port?
It says this with every FTP site i go to.