Fuck you SuSE....Hello Debian!! (and I have some questions)

[LorKorub]

I read on SuSE's site that they were going to start offering M$-Office in their packages (and charge $179 for it), so I dropped thier asses and decided to give Debian a go.  Actually, I went with Red Hat 8.0 initially, but I couldn't get that fucking Apt package to work (the one void was talking about) on Red Hat 8, so I followed Creedon's advice and just installed Debian as a whole.

Deb 3.0 seems like it is about 500X faster than SuSE was, and for some reason or another, it just looks bettter.  However, I will tell any noob out there now: STAY AWAY FROM DEBIAN.  The OS itself is great, once you get it running, but that installer that they use with it isn't worth a fuck.  The thing is not very clear in it's instuctions.  They should have programmed it to use some buttons that made more sense to do what you planned on doing (all you can really use to navigate are SPACE and Return...and if you push Return twice...you are fucked. The system starts installing packages before you've had a chance to fix dependencies/select more, etc.) Pain in the ass. This is actually the second time I've used it, and it wasn't any easier than the first time.

I have two questions.  How do I get the wheel on my Logitech Mouseman cordless to work, and second, how to I get the sound card to work? When I boot into KDE, my soundcard give a message "Error unable to load /dev/dpr. Sound will output to the null device" or something.

[Crunchy(Cracked)Butter]

Fucking hell, its isn't MS Office, its their own office software that is made by SuSE themselves.

[Calum]

both the mouse and sound problems are minimal although i don't know exactly how to fix them. with the mouse, you need to edit your XF86Config file, but not sure what modifications need to go in there, and for the sound, it sounds similar to some things i've heard from people on this board and on the linuxquestions.org board. search the archives and hopefully you'll come up with something, or else somebody might even post something in this very thread!!!

as for M$ office, i'd be damned surprised if anybody could release 'MS Office' for a platform that microsoft haven't released it for! they certainly couldn't do so legally...

[Pantso]

quote:Originally posted by LorKorub / BOB:
I read on SuSE's site that they were going to start offering M$-Office in their packages (and charge $179 for it), so I dropped thier asses and decided to give Debian a go.  Actually, I went with Red Hat 8.0 initially, but I couldn't get that fucking Apt package to work (the one void was talking about) on Red Hat 8, so I followed Creedon's advice and just installed Debian as a whole.

Deb 3.0 seems like it is about 500X faster than SuSE was, and for some reason or another, it just looks bettter.  However, I will tell any noob out there now: STAY AWAY FROM DEBIAN.  The OS itself is great, once you get it running, but that installer that they use with it isn't worth a fuck.  The thing is not very clear in it's instuctions.  They should have programmed it to use some buttons that made more sense to do what you planned on doing (all you can really use to navigate are SPACE and Return...and if you push Return twice...you are fucked. The system starts installing packages before you've had a chance to fix dependencies/select more, etc.) Pain in the ass. This is actually the second time I've used it, and it wasn't any easier than the first time.

I have two questions.  How do I get the wheel on my Logitech Mouseman cordless to work, and second, how to I get the sound card to work? When I boot into KDE, my soundcard give a message "Error unable to load /dev/dpr. Sound will output to the null device" or something.

What are you talking about?!   :eek:  Maybe you have that confused with SuSE Pro-Office package which comes with StarOffice 6.0. I also went to their site (suse.com, suse.de/en, suse.co.uk) and didn't find such entry.   :confused:  

However, Debian is a great distro but a bit difficult to set up as you mentioned. It's also a lot faster than SuSE and any other distro I've used. RedHat 8.0 is great too, from what I've read (reviews etc).

As for your mouse problem, you have to edit the XF86Config file, but like Calum wrote I don't know what you should enter for the specific mouse. At least SuSE comes with Sax2 and YAST2, which would make it a lot easier on you.  

[creedon]

quote:Originally posted by LorKorub / BOB:
I read on SuSE's site that they were going to start offering M$-Office in their packages (and charge $179 for it), so I dropped thier asses and decided to give Debian a go.  Actually, I went with Red Hat 8.0 initially, but I couldn't get that fucking Apt package to work (the one void was talking about) on Red Hat 8, so I followed Creedon's advice and just installed Debian as a whole.

Deb 3.0 seems like it is about 500X faster than SuSE was, and for some reason or another, it just looks bettter.  However, I will tell any noob out there now: STAY AWAY FROM DEBIAN.  The OS itself is great, once you get it running, but that installer that they use with it isn't worth a fuck.  The thing is not very clear in it's instuctions.  They should have programmed it to use some buttons that made more sense to do what you planned on doing (all you can really use to navigate are SPACE and Return...and if you push Return twice...you are fucked. The system starts installing packages before you've had a chance to fix dependencies/select more, etc.) Pain in the ass. This is actually the second time I've used it, and it wasn't any easier than the first time.

I have two questions.  How do I get the wheel on my Logitech Mouseman cordless to work, and second, how to I get the sound card to work? When I boot into KDE, my soundcard give a message "Error unable to load /dev/dpr. Sound will output to the null device" or something.

I think you'll have to log into KDE as root, and config your sound from there; it's not an OS problem, it's a KDE problem; I don't use KDE that much, I prefer XFCE.  As far as your mouse goes, I don't have a clue, but my gut feeling is a re-compile with infared support enabled.  Don't let Debian get you down, it's an uphill struggle, but once it's configured to your liking, you won't have a bit of trouble FOREVER!

[pkd_lives]

quote:Originally posted by LorKorub / BOB:
I read on SuSE's site that they were going to start offering M$-Office in their packages (and charge $179 for it), so I dropped thier asses and decided to give Debian a go.

M$ DO NOT make a Linux version of Office. To my knowledge M$ make no Linux compatable software. Please show us where you got this info from so we can see if it is a hoax.

[Ice-9]

For your mouse wheel problem you have to edit your XF86 Config file and add these lines :

Option      "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option      "Emulate3Buttons" "no"

At least, this did the trick for me with SuSE 8.0.

[voidmain]

Couldn't get "apt" installed? uh.....

[mobrien_12]

The wheel mouse needs IMPS/2 protocol.

[slave]

quote:Originally posted by void main:
Couldn't get "apt" installed? uh.....

Really now, I don't see where apt is so hard to install.  I downloaded it and double clicked the icon in nautilus.  Is that so hard?

[preacher]

I see no problem with SuSe including MS office. This will be another reason why business windows users should switch. Just remember, just because they offer it doesnt mean you have to buy the version with it. Im sure the main reason Suse is doing this is to attract corporate users. Once a corporation sees that it can save a ton of money on software by using the (inexpensive)OS, yet still being able to run the applications they are dependent on, they will see the benefits. I doubt many home users would be willing to pay $129 extra for MS Office, when they could use open office for free, but corporate users want all the functionality. My question is whether MS Office will run natively or through a windows emulator.

[preacher]

quote:Originally posted by pkd:


M$ DO NOT make a Linux version of Office. To my knowledge M$ make no Linux compatable software. Please show us where you got this info from so we can see if it is a hoax.

pkd, the original post led me to a search and I found this

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-963823.html

It seems that SuSE is including Crossover Office from codeweavers. Thats right, its just a version of wine designed to run MS Office applications. It doesnt include MS Office, just a program that allows it to run. No reason to hate SuSE yet.....lol

[voidmain]

From what I have read they are going to include either StarOffice or CrossOver Office. Correct me if I am wrong but CrossOver Office is just a specialized version of Wine from Codeweavers that is optimized to run MS Office (some, not all of MS Office). For that $129 copy of SuSe you are *not* going to get a licensed copy of MS Office, this will need to be purchased separately at a 500+ bucks more, and not from SuSe:

SuSe article:
http://www.suse.com/us/company/press/press_releases/archive02/office_desktop.html

CrossOver Office
http://www.codeweavers.com/products/office/

Not sure why they say they are going to include CrossOver Office 1.2 when 1.3.1 is out and for only $54. At any rate, OpenOffice is just as good or better than this crap.

And I'm sure Microsoft will give you lots of support when you have problems running that $500 Office suite on top of that $54 copy of Wine running on top of that $60 copy of Linux (of course it can't be any worse than the support you get when it's running under Windows). Yep, RedHat/OpenOffice is the way to go!

[Crunchy(Cracked)Butter]

isn't crossover office only for office2k at the moment?  If so you cannot buy it anyway and the XP version won't work will it so the onlyu people that can take advantage are the people who have got it!

I'm sure suse will support it if they are going to include it ...maybe.