Linux's Future...

[Faust]

You should read over the package list at debian.org sometime.  We have software packages far better than Windows in all areas bar gaming, but even there its not as bad as everyone says.  Personally the _only_ game I have that I (a)like and (b)need windows for is Morrowind.  And that's getting dull too.  On Linux I play a lot of UT2003, Starcraft (Warcraft 3 is *sooo* crap people (although it runs in Linux as well),) and of course half life mods.  (Basically just keep the Day of Defeat guys away from the Counterstrike guys and life is rosy.)  Oh and I nearly forgot enemy territory, great game there.  Needs more levels though.  As soon as Doom 3 comes out I'm grabbing that and shoving that on my Linux box too.  (If it's made by id software it will run in Linux - John Carmack loves us.    )  Oh and that of course includes Quake 3 although my love for quake games has been steadily decreasing since Quake 1.  Check out LinuxGaming.org ( <== not sure if thats the right link, but I think someone else already posted it anway.)  Speaking of half life mods is anyone else here into "The Specialists?"  Im getting a copy of Never Winter nights as well, although I don't think there have been many good RPG games of late on any platform.  Even the Final Fantasy series has got dull.  Anyway gaming on Linux is entirely possible.  Now to see if I can get the Multi Theft Auto GTA3 mod up.  

[Faust]

Oh and we support a broader range of platforms than Windows does.  re:64 bit, I would like to see figures on how long Linux actually has supported 64 bit processors - sparc versions have been around for how long now?

[choasforages]

damnit, linux supports 64 bit already, hell, if i had an athlon64 i could be running 64bit linux NOW, not a gazillion years from now when win64 is decent /* winxp64 anybody?.....*/

[TheKnifeThrower]

If you get a program called winex then you can run some windows games in linux. This program costs money. So I suggest you download a P2P program called emule and search for winex.

[baggab]

I've got an attitude about chess, when your computer game is around for 1000 years we'll talk.  

If you are only interested in games and the latest hardware to play them on, then you should get a console or stick to XP, for a while.

I feel Linux and OSS strength's are in the science/server world.  Reading in the Wall Street Journal I note that Oracle (2nd only to M$) is getting its ass kicked by MySQL.  The U.S. Dept. of Defense is using Linux, so they should have some of the best games availible in a few years, that reality might be too scary for a armchair worrior.

Microsoft will not die on its own, it will be supplanted by Linux.  It will take time, about ten years.  Its all about the communal mind developing the next generation of computing and thats a more exciting game.

[Calum]

quote:Originally posted by Enquiptor_125:
Hello all,

I have a few questions about Linux.

First off, i love to play the latest games on pc. Is Linux ever going to have a feature where you can play the latest games easily?

Also, im fed up with Microsoft, but the reasons im not switching are because of game problems and

ok, so far great, you sound open minded and enquisitive, and best of all you sound positive, however:  

quote:Linux is hard to learn. Im just wondering if Linux will eer step up to a higher level (when) Microsoft dies.

if you do not see that linux is at many higher levels than any of microsoft's offerings in many areas then you have already missed the boat.

i don't have time to explain the whole situation in full sadly, but i am sure other people will. don't take any criticism people might have to heart but do realise that saying things which imply that windows sucks less than linux is like daring a madman with a paintgun to shoot you in the eyes.

welcome to the forums btw.

[mobrien_12]

quote:Originally posted by TheKnifeThrower:
If you get a program called winex then you can run some windows games in linux. This program costs money. So I suggest you download a P2P program called emule and search for winex.

I thought we didn't encourage warez on these boards.

[flap]

No; a lot of people on these boards advocate actually paying for the privilege of having their rights restricted through the purchase of proprietary software.

 

quote:I thought we didn't encourage warez on these boards.

You don't have to mindlessly abide by their "policy". Yes; discourage the use of proprietary software in all circumstances, but don't ever discourage copying because the law says it's wrong.

[ July 15, 2003: Message edited by: flap ]

[Laukev7]

Actually, a lot of people on these boards advocate giving developpers the priviledge of making a living. And how can you be restricted when you never had the right in the first place?

 

quote: but don't ever discourage copying because the law says it's wrong.

But because the law says it is wrong to kill, we should ignore such a stupid rule, right?   :rolleyes:

[Stryker]

quote:Originally posted by Laukev7:
But because the law says it is wrong to kill, we should ignore such a stupid rule, right?     :rolleyes:  

So you are saying every law is right? I believe there was a thread about stupid laws. It's wrong for my friend to go into colville (a city on the other side of the state) without ringing a bell up and down the streets declaring his arrival, because he's black. It's wrong for anyone under 18 to own something. It's wrong to carry a license and a permit (2 forms of ID are required in a lot of places). It's wrong to carry a gun without a permit (very stupid law, very debatable). Because the law says so?

There are good laws and there are bad laws. I'm against mass producing something that the author said "dont do that" on. But that statement about murder was just dumb.


no offense or anything.

edit:
And it is NOT wrong to kill. It is wrong to murder.

[ July 15, 2003: Message edited by: Stryker ]

[Laukev7]

quote: So you are saying every law is right?

Now, you're generalising here. Not every law is right, but just because you say that does not mean that copying isn't wrong.

 

quote: It's wrong to carry a gun without a permit (very stupid law, very debatable). Because the law says so?

You may have noticed, but I live in Canada, so our perceptions may not be the same. Personally, I believe nobody should carry any weapon at all (and the Canadian law agrees with me). I also think that prostitution and marijuana should be legalised, just like in Netherlands, but the Canadian law does not agree with that (yet).

 

quote: And it is NOT wrong to kill. It is wrong to murder.

Whatever.

[Stryker]

Switching from copying to murder isn't generalizing?

What's wrong with having a weapon? It helps one's self esteem and makes them feel more secure. Not really on this topic though

With the marijuana and prostituation, it's illegal. Does that make it right? you only proved my point. I agree with you on those aspects, with certain restrictions. Such as... no pot while ur pregnant. Prostitution must be safe sex. I know you were trying to make the same point I am, but you didn't seem to do it very well.

[Laukev7]

I DO agree that one should not blindly consider a law right just because it is the law. But you can't prove that a law is wrong simply by labelling it as a quia nominor leo. This was the point I was making when I switched from copying to murder.

[askani]

Eh, i'll cut over all the off topic stuff and get straight to the meat and potatoes. I've been a linux maniac since RedHat 6.0, i currently run Mandrake 9.0, and I've had a Linux on every machine I've ever owned. I love its GUI and its overall power and features.

Mind you, the learning curve is pretty steep, but the payoff is excellent. If you have the space whack out a partition, install a distro and start exploring. Ask us if ya have any problems, we whould be able to assist ya with whatever. It's a cool OS, and so far every guy I know that I've given it to has kept it installed and upgraded on their machine.

For most Windows users trying out Linux has had an effect simillar to the effect of chocolate cake to those that only eat bread and water.It's a liberating experience and you will become a believer if you keep and open mind.

And as for games I myself need windows to play on MSN Gaming Zone because i play Mechwarrior 4 Mercenaries. But now if i can get that stupid automount under control i might just try to get Zone and Mercs working on Linux and forego windows entirely. Wish me luck with that   :rolleyes:

[solo]

Cant remember who it was but it was something to the effect of 'flap always appears when the topic of proprietary/software pirating is brought up'. Yup, and then Laukev fights back at flap and everyone gets involved. I used to pirate anything that costs money. I only pirate software now because they don't support Linux and I don't have Windows to run it on so if it runs in Wine I'll use it. I'm not gonna spend money on something I have to emulate. When Adobe starts releasing linux versions of Photoshop I'll start paying for it because I think that would be extroardinarily forward-looking of them and I would probably respect them more.

I pirated Adobe Photoshop 7 a few days ago to try it in Wine and it works, but of course no emulation is perfect. I do NOT advocate piracy on Windows because the software is guaranteed to work. Okay what I'm saying doesn't really make much sense but whatever.

imho you should obey the law, because it's the law and the general populace agree on it at this time. Just because you disagree with law does not mean you have the right to not obey it. However I see what flap is saying about not obeying just BECAUSE it is the law. You shouldn't like it just because it's the law. My god I'm so rambly today i'm just gonna stfu.

[ July 16, 2003: Message edited by: Fury: Freedom Fighter ]