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[Master of Reality]

Screenshots of RedHat 8.0

[ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / Bob ]

[voidmain]

Here are many screen shots of a default RedHat 8.0 install:

http://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/screenshots/redhat80/

[Master of Reality]

but my screenshot has a picture of itself when it was posted here. Ahhhhhhh!!! its a paradox!!!!

[Bazoukas]

I must admitt that the what REALY made me stick with Linux, was Red Hat 7.3.  
 7.2 was awesome too, but 7.3 just did the trick for me and made me ditch Windshit alltogether.
 For  me its very well polished.

[voidmain]

Well, I believe I am changing my thoughts on this 8.0. After further evaluation I am beginning to think it just plain kicks ass!!

I put it on my main desktop (Athlon 1600 w/512MB). I've figured out most of the desktop differences and the more I use the more I like. Mozilla is kicking butt. All the graphical additions are very nice. I would have to say it is nearly a complete desktop that any n00b (or pro) would find very easy. They really did some good work on this one.

I almost wonder now how I came to the immediate conclusion that it sucked. I guess I saw all the graphical gobbledegook and felt betrayed.    I say, go and get it boys and girls!

[Master of Reality]

I gotta Q about upgrading. If i have 7.2 on my comp and i put the RH8.0 discs in and choose upgrade, willl it overwrite any of my files that are in 7.2?? ?

[voidmain]

I haven't yet done an upgrade with 8.0, only fresh installs. I have done upgrade installs with most previous versions including 7.3 without many problems. It should only upgrade RPMS and leave your users, user data and other configuration information alone. RedHat 8.0 is a pretty radical update so I opted to just do a clean install. I didn't want my previous kde and gnome preferences screwing something up.

I did the fresh installs to different partitions so I could mount up my old installation and copy anything over that I needed, and set up a boot entry so I could boot back into the old versions. Eventually I will blow away the old installation and use that partition as a work area until the next major upgrade where it will become the place to do a fresh install.

[Master of Reality]

thats what i was gonna do, but i installed RH8.0 on another computer instead. Beside Slackware 8.1.
I may try to install it yet on my main computer but when i tried the first time it phuxored up.
At least the installation program runs in RH 8.0.. RH7.3 wouldnt run the installation on my main computer. I am still using 7.2

[xyle_one]

i have only one problem with redhat 8 right now, how the fu@k do you mount a windows volume (me and co-worker have been stumbling over this for a few days now). i know in mandrake9 there is a utility called 'windows shares' and it took me a whole 2 minutes to find, mount and copy files. but i dont know what im doing in redhat. any suggestions???
ecsyle one

[voidmain]

I assume you are talking about connecting to a remote Windows machine and copying files from a shared directory. There are actually several ways to do this. If you are in the default Gnome environment the simple easiest way is to click on your "Home" ICON on your desktop and type "smb:" in the Location bar which will bring up a "Network Neighborhood" type of screen. Click on your domain or workgroup ICON and it will bring up a list of servers. Click on a server and it should bring up a list of shares.

Now, if you need to authenticate to gain access to the share you'll need to supply your username/password as part of the URL (I don't like this method for security reasons but it's quick an easy):

smb://username:password@winserver

In the above URL you would use your Windows userid as the "username", your Windows password as the "password" and the network name of your windows machine as the "winserver".

A better method is to mount a Windows share using the "smbmount" command. This will be similar to "Mapping a Network Drive" in Windows. You can also set it up in your /etc/fstab to automount Windows shares when you boot your machine. There is another thread where we gave details on how to use smbmount and set up the automatic mounting in /etc/fstab. Search the Linux/UNIX forum and you should find the thread. Using "smbmount" as the keyword should find some threads on the subject. If you can't get it let me know and I'll help you further. Use "man smbmount" for more specific information.

Also you can use "smbclient" to get an FTP like connection to your Windows shares.

And not last and certainly not least you can download a cool utility such as "xsmbrowser" which works really well.

Most of the above require you to have Samba and Samba client packages installed. Look in your "Packages" ICON in System Settings to make sure you have Samba installed under the "Windows File Server" section. Some of the above might also require that you have your Samba Configuration file set up properly for your network (/etc/samba/smb.conf).

I don't believe there is a graphical tool for configuring the smb.conf included with RedHat 8.0 (one of the few still missing). Swat is the best graphical tool for configuring the smb.conf file but I don't see it included with RedHat. I like to manually edit the file anyhoo. Make sure you restart the smb service after making changes to that config file.

Try the things in the first paragraphs before configuring smb.conf to see if they work without it. Good luck and if you have any further questions I'll be more than happy to help.

Here's a related thread explaining "smbmount":
http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000192

And to be able to mount Windows shares as a normal user you might want to setuid the "smbmnt" command first:

# chmod u+s /usr/bin/smbmnt

[ October 04, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[xyle_one]

thanks for the help void main. the windows volume is on the same computer, on a seperate drive. i am dual booting windows 2000 and redhat8. (i got rid of suse for redhat8). i was able to see my windows machine from redhat7 on my other computer, but i cant for the life of me get to the "drawing" drive from redhat8. i will use the "smbmount' method, as i would like to 'map' the drive to the desktop. i did install the samba packages, so it should work. i also find it fun (in a sick, sick way) to use the command line    
thanks again.
i will try this later, as i am stuck at work. though, i did convert a windows guy to linux here. he installed mandrake 9 here at work, and we have been messing with it all day. ah, the joy of the bosses being on vacation.    
ecsyle-one

[voidmain]

Shit, now you tell me.    The "smbmount" and *all* of the instructions I gave you were for a network attached Windows machine, not a local drive. All you have to do is create an entry in your /etc/fstab for a FAT32 partition that might look something like this:

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Change the "/dev/hda1" to whatever partition it is on (do a "# fdisk -l" for a list of partitions). And change the "/c" to wherever you want to mount it (make sure the directory exists before trying to mount it).  Then to mount the drive type "# mount /c".

[xyle_one]

sorry about that void main. but, dont worry, the info still came in very handy. i have a friend who could use the info you provided. i can too as a matter of fact. thanks again, ill let you know if it worked soon.  

ecsyle_one

[slave]

Initial thoughts on using RH8

It's still not a "windows killer" (like some doofus in OSnews claimed it would be) but for non-morons it is quite easy to use.  I have bashed Linux in the past frequently, but usually it was about its sorry desktop offering. (that and I love stirring up shit) Distributions like Mandrake 8 and Suse were very buggy and Red Hat 7.0 crashed all over me.  GNOME was ugly but fast, and KDE was pretty but slow.  GNOME 2 seems both pretty and fast (although not as functional as I'd sometimes like; maybe gnome will be as usable as windows by version 2.2)  Mozilla isn't disgusting and buggy anymore like it was during the 0.9.x periods.  Evolution is just like Outlook and doesn't crash like it used to.  Basically they have cloned much of the windows desktop, which I don't necessarily see as a bad thing.  I mean, Windows copied the Mac interface, and look where Microsoft is today.    :rolleyes:   I still need windows for many things, like playing games, flash, dreamweaver, photoshop (although GIMP is not bad) etc.  But now I can use Linux to surf the web and check email, and not have to worry about getting infected with trojans and worms.  (Which also means I can uninstall my virus scanner for Windows)  Zombie898798, try this.  It's not like the old Linux.  It's actually usable for a change.  You can dual-boot so there's no risk.  So anyway, I'll still point out shit I don't like about Linux , but for once open source doesn't suck for the end user.  I really think this is a good thing because it will give Microsoft some incentive to make even better products than it already does.

[voidmain]

I hate to do this but for once I actually agree with everything XP User just said. I would say that is a very fair assessment. I too think RedHat's version of Gnome is not nearly as configurable (bells and whistles) as KDE. It is however, *almost* clean as a whistle, not confusing, give you just what you need to get by, perfect for the new user (and I'm actually starting to like it). There are a few things missing, but there is *vastly* more there than in previous versions for GUI oriented people.

I think for the typical grandpa internet/email/solitaire home user it can be a Windows killer. It's certainly a functional alternative for Email and Web browsing. But it's certainly not going to be an immediate replacement for those entrenched in Windows. Unreal Tournament  2003, Quake 3, etc also show that it is more than capable of being a good game platform. Question is, how soon if ever will game companies port their games?

Obviously those who already bought Windows machines without doing any research and have all of that proprietary equipment (winmodems, USB printers/scanners) will likely not switch but I think with this release I have hope that at least Linux can start to show up as a blip on the radar which means more software vendors will see it as a viable alternative and have more incentive to port software. It's definitely a step in the right direction.

And good objective post XP User.