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Faust:
Sorry if you saw my earlier comments as an insult to macs Panos.
But if i see an ad that I take as insulting to my favorite OS I will get upset just as you will.
Referring to peoples comments as "inane cocky and elitist" wont calm people down either.  Nor will telling them that their points are based on "weakness."
BTW I dont "hate" Apple - nor I think do many if any others on these forums - but again seeing an ad that insults Linux will upset me.

edit : please stay.
the following however are what i take to be elitist comments as well:
just because apple gave nix a great GUI you get jealous...
which are mostly based on your weakness...
the last "sane" people here...
i've finally found joy in a unix system and i found it when i purchased a macintosh...
and of course the various "stupid intel architecture" threads.  The last one is especially bad and you mac users start flaming others for using intel architecture all the freaking time...

[ April 15, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]

Calum:
apple's attitude insults me and until they stop it i won't see any reason not to insult them if i want.

mac users who throw themselves in the line of fire have nobody to blame but themselves if they feel offended since my possible bone of contention is not with mac users, but possibly with apple (i say possibly because their motives are really unclear to me compared with those of microsoft, for all i know apple might just be very confused).

flap:

quote:Originally posted by Panos:
My point is that I'm really tired of your inane, cocky and elitist comments.
--- End quote ---


Elitism is looking down on others because they're not part of, and have no way of joining, a particular group which is perceived to be better than others. It's not elitism if Apple can easily join the free software fraternity simply by ceasing to produce proprietary software. A better example of elitism could be, oh I don't know, a company producing an operating system and allowing only its employees to see the holy source code, and allowing only those who have the money to pay them for a licence to use it.

Why do you think Microsoft should be criticised but Apple should be able to get away with what they're doing without anyone raising objections? Do you think we object to Microsoft purely because of the quality of their software?

Faust:
What seems to be the case is in the following statements (please inform us which one you take contention with.):
1: Apple uses Free Software to design a better browser and improve their OS by using khtml and a BSD kernel.
2: Apple then tries to compete directly against Free Software, the majority of which is *NIX based as exemplified in the statement "sends other unix boxes to /dev/null" and others.
3: By doing 2 Apple has hurt the Operating Systems it was helped by.
4: Apple should be trying to attack Microsoft instead of casting aspersions on Free OS's
5: Apple has fulfilled a bare minimum of their requirements under the Freedom license.
6: In doing 5 Apple has "weasled out of" giving effective support in their alliance with Free Software - for example by not Freeing Safari itself and by just Freeing the HTML "rendering" component

Which of the 6 is in the opinion of the Mac users incorrect?  Please give reasons why, and notice that I have been polite so please no flaming me.

Calum:
hear hear! i agree 100% with that.

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