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Zombie9920:
quote:Originally posted by VoidMain:
Zombie, you keep spewing out those same things you call facts and I disagree with every single one of them. Microsoft doesn't create the products, they buy them and sell them. They are really nothing more than a software brokerage firm. For instance, I *used* to like Visio until M$ got hold of it. And you think I am biased and don't use M$. Guess what I spent half the day doing today? Trying to tie data together from M$ SQL Server, Pervasive, and Exchange on Win2k. There was a lot of swearing coming out of my office today to say the least.
UNIX was created before there was such a thing known as a "desktop" system. Linux runs just fine as a desktop system and it *will* replace M$ weather you like it or not. Better buy some books or you will be out of work fast and in a hurry.
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I'm not in the least bit surprised that you don't agree with me because you are the biggest example of a *Open Source - Closed Minded* person on this board. You can keep telling yourself that Linux will replace MS one of these days....just like people of your type have been saying for the last 7-10 years. Face it, it isn't going to happen. Do you really think that I need to buy books about *nix? Dude I am no stranger to the *nix environment. I am also smart enough to realize that *nix is not intended for what I(and 95% of the consumer world) use thier computer for. Saying *nix is suitable for the mainstream desktop environment is as absurd as saying that Windows XP 64-bit and the Itaniums they run on are intended to be for the mainstream desktop environment. As I have already said, Microsoft's products(whether they made the product or bought it from someone else..it is still thier product) have made the single biggest impact on the advancements in PC technology. Also, if you look at Windows' software library(and all of the people who use the software in that library) and you think it is all going to be thrown out the window for an OS that has hardley anything to offer to the average consumer you are nuts.
P.S. I do not need to read up on anything. What I don't know I can easily learn on my own because I have a comprehensive brain. I am a very fast learner(and I learn stuff on my own, not from books). ;)
(EDIT)If anyone had a chance in hell of replacing Microsoft Windows(or whatever Microsoft's future OSes will be called) it would be Apple with MacOS. Even MacOS has more consumer level apps and games written for it than *nix. Linux is open source and will never have companies spending alot of time writing and coding for it because there are simply too many distros out there. Linux relies soley on it's community to write most of the drivers and program ports to it. Even MacOS has a big company with alot of resources backing it up.(EDIT)
[ April 26, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
Master of Reality:
i think i got a "new" commodore 128 just last year (i still have to get a keyboard for it).
I still have my commodore 64 though.
I'm not sure what happened to the VIC 20 i had.
voidmain:
I know Zombie. You're 22, therefore you know everything. Ever hear of porting? That's what vendors are going to be doing in hoards. And I have used Linux since 1992 and it wasn't until *very* recently (weeks) that I seriously thought it could become a mainstream desktop OS. I do believe there are some major things to be accomplished but not nearly as many as there were yesterday, and thousands less than two days ago. The improvement rate is exponential and there is nothing that you or I can do to stop it.
Zombie9920:
quote:Originally posted by VoidMain:
I know Zombie. You're 22, therefore you know everything. Ever hear of porting? That's what vendors are going to be doing in hoards. And I have used Linux since 1992 and it wasn't until *very* recently (weeks) that I seriously thought it could become a mainstream desktop OS. I do believe there are some major things to be accomplished but not nearly as many as there were yesterday, and thousands less than two days ago. The improvement rate is exponential and there is nothing that you or I can do to stop it.
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The problem is, most software vendors do not port and will not port thier software to Linux just because there is relativatly no profit to be gained in the open source market. Most Win32 to Linux app and games ports are done by members of the Linux community(regular users who devote countless hours of thier time to port stuff over). There is really no way software vendors can effectivley port thier stuff to Linux because there are simply too many distributions(and each distribution works differently) and more distros are made every month. Vendors are only interested in writing software for closed source OSes that are maintained by one company. That is where the profit is. You would be more likely to see vendors hoard software ports over to MacOS than to Linux because of the simple fact that it would make them more money. In the Open Source community people expect to get thier stuff for free(and GPLed so they can build onto it). That is not what software vendors want.
(EDIT)In all fairness, Linux has made some major advancements in User friendliness(namely in the Mandrake distro)recently...but the problem is it still holds that ugly Open Source label over it's head. That little label is what will keep the majority of vendors away from the OS. It all falls back to the simple fact that all vendors want is money. Open Source is the wrong tree to be barking up for a profit(EDIT)
[ April 26, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
voidmain:
What I am trying to say is that may have been true in the past but it will not be true in the future. People are willing to pay a "fair" price for "good" software. The flood gates are bulging and are about to burst. M$ will go down quickly and most vendors will be able to port quickly as the big ones have already discussed this and have been strategizing. They will not have a choice if they want to stay in business. And I have worked with many companies who are absolutely ready to jump ship off the SS M$ at a moments notice. Many are already doing it.
And what you also do not understand is the fact that vendors do not have to release their Linux applications under GPL or open source. That's not a stopper at all. Look at Sybase, look at Oracle, look at all of the other established vendors who have already ported and not GPLed their code, or released it. No one in the Linux world is screaming for Oracle source code (that I have heard). Open source is one of the great attractive features of Linux for both the vendor and the user. The vendor has the details of the OS such as the kernel so they can make their software run optimally, unlike on closed source OSs. End users (or companies where end users work) can customize the OS and/or fix things that are broken.
[ April 26, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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