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I have a question about MACs.

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Pissed_Macman:

quote:Originally posted by void main:
So what about all those people who would have given them a $30 profit not giving them anything because they won't buy the whole package? Seems Microsoft's made a pretty good business out of selling software only. Apple could get a piece of that action for sure.

[ November 12, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Agreed

Calum:
apple computer have always been in the business of selling workstations. They don't sell software or hardware per se. This approach is so far removed from the linux approach that it is unlikely that the two concepts could ever be married.

Apple have always wanted to make their computers as easy to use as a toaster. They have acheived quite a degree of success in my opinion, and from what i hear, people who like to tinker are now satisfiied with OSX too.

The biggest thing about apple computer that i see is as follows:
linux has made leaps and bounds in user friendliness, but look at OSX. it is almost seamless from what i hear (from an 'easy UI' point of view), and the screenshots suggest so as well. How long did they take to do this? It just shows me that linux could easily compete with not only windows, but macOS if it wanted. seemingly the passionate linux developers are not so UI orientated as apple are though.

It's just a different world. Personally i think that although Apple charge high prices for a partially closed source system on proprietary hardware, at least they try to be honest. And that is a very big deal for me.

Personally i don't think i would buy a mac unless it was second hand, and now that OSX is out i'd want a mac that could run it, so i might be waiting a while for an OSX compatible second hand mac at a decent price i think.

psyjax:

quote:a) Why would you lock your self on specific Hardware? I heard alot about the power of the G CPU. But Doesnt that limit your choices or your needs to slam a biger CPU in it (I brought this as an example)?  
  For example Right now I am on 1.5 Ghz AMDXP. When I will have money I will slam that 2GhZ with out changing the mobo.
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As Macman pointed out, you can run many other OS's on Mac Hardware aside from Apple OS's. Also, I find the quality of Apple hardware to be top notch. They are well built, solid machines, designed to work perfectly with the software to be installed on them.

Upgrading is not an issue, probably just as simple as on a PC. Also, as Jimmy James stated, lately the speed lag on Apple's side has made it hard to justify prices for the CURENT crop of Mac's.

None the less, the new IBM made PPC chips will be coming out and they will surely be worth the price.

Personaly, my dual 800Mhz is the nicest computer I have ever owned or used. I don't care that it dosn't even top 1Ghz, I don't see the need for such excessive speeds.

 
quote:As far as the OS goes, is it 100% Open Source? Or is it that just some part of it is Open Source. And if its closed source, isnt that like MS (with out the BSOD of course).
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The major part of the OS, that being Darwin, OSX's UNIX core is totaly open source. Aqua/Quartz, is the GUI wich sits on top of Darwin. It is closed source.

However, unlike M$, it is fully documented and accesible to any hacker. It's very easy to tinker with and Apple provides many tools to do so.

So no, it's not like Windows without a BSOD. If you don't wanna pay for the UI, just download the latest version of Darwin, drop X11 and KDE on it and have done with it.

oooo... did I mention you can run KDE or GNOME at the same time as the Aqua/Quartz GUI? Well you can, pretty cool huh  :D
 
 
quote:Some months ago I read that owners of MACS had to pay for upgrades (I am not sure about this, so I may be talking out of my ass now). If this is true, isnt that a rip off? And if not, why?
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Apple has been very fair about this in the past. They don't force you to pay for every little adjustment, their prices have historicaly been very resonable (I don't care what you think, Jag was worth the price    ). Also, each major release is well supported for a good long while, Jag just had what could easely be considerd a major upgrade yesterday. Totaly free of charge. Fixed tons of issues with iApps, speeded the OS up more etc.

 
quote:And why they dont release the OS for all platforms? What is the purpose of locking it in a specific set of hardware (i am looking for an arguement besides performance)? In other words, what is the logic behind this?
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There is a version of OSX for x86. Apple has been developing it at the same time as the Mac version. Search the forums for an Orielly article I posted on the subject, it's a good story. Calld project Marklar or something.

Calum:
is that true? or is it classic vapourware?
what benefit would this bring to Apple Computer?

psyjax:

quote:Originally posted by [calum@localhost]$:
is that true? or is it classic vapourware?
what benefit would this bring to Apple Computer?
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Marklar is true. No one knows what they are gonna do with it though.

the story is great.

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