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Zombie9920:

quote:Originally posted by ThePreacher:


Listen to you, its a proven fact that Quake 3 runs faster on linux with OpenGL, on the exact same pc with Windows installed. Ive seen this time and time again. According to you it would run slower because linux is not suitable for games.

The truth of the matter is that you have no clue what you are talking about, so you should just be quiet. Linux is just as powerful an OS as any Microsoft product and Im sick of people like you trash talking it.
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That is because you can't enable Anisotropic filtering and Full Scene Anti-Alasing in OpenGL games on Linux. More times than not people at have thier anisotropic filtering set to least 16tap in Windows. In Linux those games run with Bi-Linear filtering. That difference alone will make it look like it is faster in Linux than it is in Windows.

With the newer video cards drivers(like Detonator 20.xx all the way to the new Det 50.xx drivers) for Windows you can't even put anisotropic filtering in bi-linear mode. Point-sprite rendering is the lowest you can go in Windows anymore. Point sprite rendering is slower than Bi-Linear but looks a little better....16tap and above blows point sprites and bi-linear out of the water when it comes to image quality.

Anyways, OpenGL has the same performance capabilities accross any platform(because it remains unchanged no matter what platform you use it on). How fast it runs depends on your hardware and in Windows OGL speed depends on how you have the video driver configured(since Windows drivers get all of the cool visual enhancement capabilites).

I think I'd rather play Quake III w/64-tap anisotropic filtering and 4x or better Anti-alasing @ 140FPS over running it with no FSAA and low LOD anisotropic filter@ 350+ FPS anyday.

[ September 28, 2003: Message edited by: Viper ]

preacher:
By the way viper, ive never heard of the extreme edition P4. Is it out yet? Is it the response from intel to the athlon64?

Zombie9920:

quote:Originally posted by ThePreacher:
By the way viper, ive never heard of the extreme edition P4. Is it out yet? Is it the response from intel to the athlon64?
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The Extreme Edition is a P4c 800mhz FSB w/Hyperthreading w/2MB of cache instead of the traditional 512kb of cache on all other Northwoods.

It was made to fill the gap between the AthlonFX and the P4 until the Prescott is released.

Yes, the P4EE is available now and will work in any motherboard that supports the P4c.

Realistically, not many people are not going to buy a P4EE just like not many people are going to buy an Athlon FX due to the ridiculously high price for the performance that it has to offer.

Anybody with common sense will buy something like a 2.4c and a i865PE w/PAT enabled motherboard for $300 and overclock it to 3.1-3.2ghz. That is more than fast enough for what most people need out their computer. The P4 2.4c and i865 Combo is even $150-$175 cheaper than an Athlon 64(non-FX) CPU alone. The price-performance award clearly goes to the 2.4c+i865PE. Intel really outdid themselves with the 2.4c and the i865 chipset...literally.

psyjax:
Hey Viper,

the G5 IS faster than any PIV, and indeed faster than any comp on the market. The tests Apple did were fair, and openly published. When they were contested by various detractors, Apple offered to do their test, and guess what! Those tests came out worse!!

As it turned out, Apple had chosen the best test available. For example, some folks complained that because they used gcc for both systems tor un the compile tests, that someone was getting screwd, (hyperthreading was off on the PIV), it turned out P4 was slower when they turned on Hyperthreading.

The article is old, it's in the register when the hoolabaloo started. Get a clue, Apple wiped the floor shinny with your pathetic x86 frankenboxes. Why else do you think the Navy, Virginia Tech, amongst others, are now building G5 superclusters that trounce any pice of crap winshit box.

Finaly, as far as Quake3 Goes, has anyone actually noticed what kind of Vid card was used!!! For gods sake, everyone knows it's your vidcard over the mobo.

So shut up, and go suck on your x86 nuttbag all you want.

(ahhh... felt like flamin    )

Zombie9920:
Oh yeah. It is fair for Apple to test a G5 with all of it's optimizations but test the P4 without SSE2.

Riiiiggghhtt.  :rolleyes:

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