Safari: What's the big deal??!!

[flap]

quote:Originally posted by Calum: crusader for peace & freedom:
is it fully open source and Free?

if so then i will concede that something is being given back.

It's free because it's GPL'd so they're legally obliged to make it free, not because they're "a good open source citizen" as they claim. If they were a "good citizen" in the sense that they're implying (what is a good "open source" citizen anyway?) then they'd make their OS core - or better yet all of OSX - properly free.

I still don't see how people think Apple making their OS core open source benefits anyone besides Apple? They don't deserve to be "stood up for", at least not over this issue.

[Pantso]

quote:Originally posted by flap:


It's free because it's GPL'd so they're legally obliged to make it free, not because they're "a good open source citizen" as they claim. If they were a "good citizen" in the sense that they're implying (what is a good "open source" citizen anyway?) then they'd make their OS core - or better yet all of OSX - properly free.

I still don't see how people think Apple making their OS core open source benefits anyone besides Apple? They don't deserve to be "stood up for", at least not over this issue.

It's because of you and your "elitist" alikes that most people are looking down at free and open source software. Shame how some people are so shortsighted.

[ April 14, 2003: Message edited by: Panos ]

[xyle_one]

yeah. i agree. drop the elitist attitudes. at least apple is attempting to move on. sorry that they do not move as fast as you would like. give them time.
[assholish sarcasm]
maybe they are just jealous that apple has actually built an easy to use system on top of a unix core, with the most amazing gui today.
[/assholish sarcasm]
 

[flap]

Open Source *should* be looked down on. That's my whole point. How is it 'elitist' to demand freedom? That's like saying that it's wrong to criticise a despotic government that introduces limited human rights to appease a few people; that to demand a fully democratic government would be elitist.

If you genuinely believe that Apple have open sourced their software in order to be of any benefit to the community then you have a very rose tinted view of the way business works. This wasn't a tentative first step on a journey to making all their software free/open; it's just a calculated PR move, and one that might get some of their bugs fixed for them.

I'd still like to know how Darwin being open source benefits anyone.

[Pantso]

quote:Originally posted by flap:
Open Source *should* be looked down on. That's my whole point. How is it 'elitist' to demand freedom? That's like saying that it's wrong to criticise a despotic government that introduces limited human rights to appease a few people; that to demand a fully democratic government would be elitist.

If you genuinely believe that Apple have open sourced their software in order to be of any benefit to the community then you have a very rose tinted view of the way business works. This wasn't a tentative first step on a journey to making all their software free/open; it's just a calculated PR move, and one that might get some of their bugs fixed for them.

I'd still like to know how Darwin being open source benefits anyone.

Perhaps you are being jealous that Apple has built the best OS out there today. I know one thing for sure though. That you're being a ridiculous elitist bastard. Sorry, but that's the honest truth. You can fuck off for all I care, since you're too much of a smartass to understand what we're saying. BTW, if I were Macman or another mod, I'd delete this thread since you asshole have steered completely off topic.

[flap]

[Pissed_Macman]

Okay, well that thread spun out of control...

[Pantso]

quote:Originally posted by flap:

[billy_gates]

Update***

Beta 2 of Safari came out with Tabbed Browsing, its great, unfortunately I havn't had much time to use it.  The tabs come from the top instead of the bottom.  This makes them look like they hand from something that is always there vs just magically sticking to the toolbar like in Chimer and Mozilla.

[billy_gates]

quote:Originally posted by flap:


It's free because it's GPL'd so they're legally obliged to make it free, not because they're "a good open source citizen" as they claim. If they were a "good citizen" in the sense that they're implying (what is a good "open source" citizen anyway?) then they'd make their OS core - or better yet all of OSX - properly free.

I still don't see how people think Apple making their OS core open source benefits anyone besides Apple? They don't deserve to be "stood up for", at least not over this issue.

I know this is a little late.  But Apple is being a good citizen.  Does a good citizen follow the law, yes.  Also if Apple were not being a good citizen who would sue them?  the KHTML people?!?  Even if everyone who worked on HTML ever threw in their entire life savings into a lawyer, they still couldn't beat Apple's lawyers.  Apple knows this, so they are being a good citizen by not exercising their wallet.

[rtgwbmsr]

Apple released v73, which has tabbed browsing "out of the box" - no modifications necessary to get it

http://www.apple.com/safari/download/

[Pissed_Macman]

But that's the same version I just downloaded yesterday I think. So how do you make tabs????  :confused:    :confused:

[Pissed_Macman]

oh wait no its not, I downloaded version 60 yesterday. Did 73 just come out over night?

[rtgwbmsr]

quote:Originally posted by Macman: HAS OVER 1000 POSTS:
oh wait no its not, I downloaded version 60 yesterday. Did 73 just come out over night?

Yup...

[Pantso]

I just downloaded the new version and I have to admit that it has now everything it lacked in the previous ones, like tabbed browsing, auto fill forms etc. It also gives the overall impression that it's more stable, which I'm certain that's true.