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Neuro7

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« on: 13 January 2003, 03:09 »
Since OS X uses BSD under the hood, can you load Linux and BSD apps and progs in OS X? Also, does OS X come with the standard programming tools that you get with unix variants?
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« Reply #1 on: 13 January 2003, 03:21 »
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Originally posted by Neuro7:
Since OS X uses BSD under the hood, can you load Linux and BSD apps and progs in OS X? Also, does OS X come with the standard programming tools that you get with unix variants?


Many Linux and BSD apps run under OSX provided that they are re-compiled for PowerPC. The fink project has made great strides in this endevore and more and more OSS software from the other *NIX's is arriving on OSX by the day.

OSX comes with the gcc3 compiler as well as most of the standard tools you get with a *NIX. Apple also provides Developer Tools, it's free application IDE which can be used to compile BSD Darwin applications among other things.

[ January 12, 2003: Message edited by: psyjax: plain 'ol psyjax ]

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« Reply #2 on: 13 January 2003, 03:34 »
Cool, I am going to get a powerbook probably around July, and was wanting to know if the Linux/BSD stuff was compatable as well as the programming stuff. I am in the process of learning C/C++ right now and wanted to make sure that OS X had compilers for this.
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« Reply #3 on: 13 January 2003, 03:53 »
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Originally posted by Neuro7:
Cool, I am going to get a powerbook probably around July, and was wanting to know if the Linux/BSD stuff was compatable as well as the programming stuff. I am in the process of learning C/C++ right now and wanted to make sure that OS X had compilers for this.


Excellent choice! Now, like psyjax wrote there are literally thousands of open source apps for OS X, including XDarwin, a version of the XWindows system for OS X. The best tool out there to get them is
Fink and its graphical frontend Fink Commander. Fink uses also Debian's package management apt-get and dpkg.

[ January 12, 2003: Message edited by: Panos ]

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« Reply #4 on: 13 January 2003, 04:03 »
Apple now has a beta of the X11 window system for OS X.

Check it out:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/
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« Reply #5 on: 13 January 2003, 04:17 »
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Originally posted by The Muffin Man:
Apple now has a beta of the X11 window system for OS X.

Check it out:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/


AWSOME!!!! YAHOOOOO!!!! LOVE IT!!!

APPLE ROCKS!
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« Reply #6 on: 13 January 2003, 04:39 »
So esentially, with the x windows and the other unix variant support for unix type progs, I wouldn't need to install YellowDog?
I have never used or owned a MAC before (except for trying out a powerbook in CompUSA a week ago) but I have decided that I am definitely going to get a powerbook. I was really thinking about putting Linux on it also, but if I don't need to I am not. Especially, if I can just put MACs version of X windows on it and be able to load and use the different Linux/BSD progs on it.
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« Reply #7 on: 13 January 2003, 04:44 »
Ya, I have yellowdog dual booted with OSX 10.2.3 on My G4 dual 800, but I never use it. OSX does all the UNIX Linux suff I need.
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« Reply #8 on: 13 January 2003, 14:03 »
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Originally posted by The Muffin Man:
Apple now has a beta of the X11 window system for OS X.

Check it out:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/


i did post some replies to this here, and will be watching with interest. nice to see that apple plan to 'give back' their code improvements.
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« Reply #9 on: 13 January 2003, 20:02 »
I posted a reply.
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« Reply #10 on: 14 January 2003, 02:50 »
quote:
Originally posted by The Muffin Man:
Apple now has a beta of the X11 window system for OS X.

Check it out:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/


Holy hell, Apple does rock!
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« Reply #11 on: 14 January 2003, 05:38 »
I've tried Fink, but I don't like it. I prefer to download pre-compiled, self-installing OS X packages. There isn't as much software available in OS X packages as via Fink, but the # increases every day and:

1- OS X packages are easy to install and uninstall (you should get OS X Package Manager)
2- the compatibility is better-- it's not just Debian software that's supposed to run on a Mac. The people who make OS X Packages know what runs on their Macs.
3- The packages put the software where it belongs, not in a "sw" folder.
4- You can just use your browser to get them, instead of using Fink Commander.

Here are some places to get OS X Packages for X11:

http://www.opendarwin.org/projects/darwinports/en/x11.php
http://us.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnu-darwin/direct_download/packages/ppc/
http://www.aaronfaby.com/downloads-x11.php
http://macosx.forked.net/

Here's a site that keeps track of X11 software for Mac:
http://osx.hyperjeff.net/Apps/apps.php?sub=100&t=8
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