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flap:
I disagree. I despair of the open source philosophy and its watered-down attitude to software freedom. "Open Source" is about software vendors exploiting the practical benefits of making their source available (i.e. having other people help them fix their bugs) without actually giving anything of use back to the community. Despite what you may believe you are not free to use Darwin code as you wish, and it remains the 'property' of Apple.

Safari is GPL'd simply because it's based on GPL code; Apple have given code back to the community not because they're "a good open source citizen", as they claim, but because they're legally obliged to. And Lindows is doing nothing that's worse than what Apple has done. I doubt Lindows has actually violated the GPL; if they had the FSF would be suing them.

Pantso:
Then tell me where do I download Lindows and the source code from. Come on give me a mirror! The FSF suing them? Oh, give me a break!

This kind of dispute is absolutely pointless! That way you would be discouraging more and more people from actually using anything that is "Open source"! Who would sit down and read all those licenses? do you really think people care about those minor differences? I don't! Those two BTW (the FSF and the OSI) are still working together on several projects!

Again, Apple is a computer manufacturer and do not force their OS down everyone's throat. Not only that but you can also get a Mac with YDL preinstalled along with OS X.

PS Doing something is always better than doing nothing!

flap:
I didn't say that you could download the Lindows source code, I said that they haven't violated the GPL. If they have, I would be very interested to know where, and so would the FSF. And there is no doubt that they would sue.

Yes, I'm encouraging people to not use software that is merely "open source" - we should all be using software that's free. What you're saying is that open source (or partial open source in the case of OSX) is 'good enough', so who really cares about freedom? That kind of complacency is a major barrier to people becoming insistent on completely free software, and it's this complacency that the open source movement is encouraging.

Pantso:

quote:Originally posted by flap:
I didn't say that you could download the Lindows source code, I said that they haven't violated the GPL. If they have, I would be very interested to know where, and so would the FSF. And there is no doubt that they would sue.

Yes, I'm encouraging people to not use software that is merely "open source" - we should all be using software that's free. What you're saying is that open source (or partial open source in the case of OSX) is 'good enough', so who really cares about freedom? That kind of complacency is a major barrier to people becoming insistent on completely free software, and it's this complacency that the open source movement is encouraging.
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Then why when installing Lindows you are asked to agree upon the terms of an EULA?   :eek:  

What you are saying confuses people who would like to get involved with something else than closed-source or proprietary software and it is, sorry to say disorientating! That's all I'm saying here!

Believe me, I'm not complacent when it come down to this issue. I'm aware of the differences between the two movements but I'm doing my best to bridge the gap when it comes to talking people about open source. Do you have any idea how someone new to this would react if you started rumbling about all those types of licenses? The least you would manage to do, would be to scare people off.    :D  

About Apple, let me repeat for the ... time that, it honors them as a company to have recognized finally the existence of the open source community in general. That's all I said. People like you nag about everything. Hell, you would even find something to nag about even if OS X went GPL'd. Sorry to say that, but that's the case here.

flap:

quote:Then why when installing Lindows you are asked to agree upon the terms of an EULA?
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What I'm saying is that Lindows have not violated the GPL i.e. they have not taken GPL code and incorporated it into proprietary software, which would be illegal. All the prroprietary code in Lindows is (we would assume) their own. There are GPL programs in Lindows but they're not making you agree to agree to a EULA to use those.

I agree these differences would be confusing to someone coming from a world of purely proprietary software, and I blame the open source movement for introducing this confusion. As Stallman says, this kind of thing isn't helping people prepare to resist the threats to our community, rather it's just a half hearted gesture to try and sate the consumer, and stop them from demanding their freedom.

As I said before, I don't believe we should be grateful to Apple for recognising the benefits they can reap themselves by making available the source code to their software. Even Microsoft have 'acknowledged' OSS by liberalising the terms of their 'Shared Source' licence, and again it's purely for reasons of PR and getting their bugs fixed for them.

I don't nag about 'everything'; I nag about things that are wrong. And Apple's licensing of this software is wrong. I'd be delighted if they went GPL, and I'd have absolutely nothing to complain about.

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