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Macrovision Aims To Stop DVD Rippers
« on: 15 February 2005, 18:54 »
I think that if you can see the movie on your tv screen, you can make a successfull copy.


http://www.technewsworld.com/story/40617.html

Macrovision Aims To Stop DVD Rippers

By John P. Mello Jr.
TechNewsWorld
02/15/05 8:07 AM PT

RipGuard is just the start of tough protection for DVDs. With the introduction of high-definition DVDs, copy-protection will get tougher yet, observed Ross Rubin, director for industry analysis for the NPD Group. "One of the key features of the next generation of DVDs is very strong encryption," he told TechNewsWorld.

Macrovision, the company whose name became a synonym for copy-protection of VHS movies, today announced a technology to thwart rippers of DVDs.

The technology, called RipGuard DVD, is the first product to be verified through a new program offered by THX, a San Rafael, California, provider of quality assurance services for the entertainment industry.

"We have come up with a format-based technology that uses a unique digital framework per title, and it stops these rippers cold," Adam Gervin, senior marketing director for Macrovision's Entertainment Technologies Group, told TechNewsWorld.


97 Percent Effective
"We've done a lot of research on the market share of rippers," he continued. "We think we've got more data than anyone else in the world on this. And we know that RipGuard DVD is effective today against 97 percent of the rippers in use in the market."

"Since studios are losing over a billion dollars a year as a result of these rippers, we believe that we can prevent 97 percent of that revenue loss through RipGuard DVD," he added.

Efforts by TechNewsWorld to reach the Motion Picture Association of America  for comment on RipGuard were unavailing.

Crashes Rippers
Gervin explained that RipGuard causes ripper software to crash or stall, thus preventing it from copying the content of a DVD.

Similar schemes have been used for music CDs with mixed results. In some cases, protected CDs wouldn't play in some CD players, which caused a consumer uproar in Europe and slowed to a dribble the introduction of protected discs into the United States.

Acutely aware of past copy-protection debacles, Macrovision chose to have an independent authority, THX, verify that RipGuard wouldn't interfere with a DVD movie's quality or performance.

Compelling Consumer Value
"We believe that the best way to fight piracy is to create compelling consumer value," Steve Weinstein, Macrovision executive vice president and general manager, said in a statement. "In developing RipGuard DVD, we turned to THX as a noted industry expert to ensure that RipGuard DVD delivers the ultimate consumer experience, while protecting the digital content of the video producers."

In the same statement, Sheau Ng, chief technical officer of THX, noted, "THX Digital Works performed compatibility and performance quality testing of RipGuard DVD titles, which revealed no degradation of the digital audio and video when compared with the original material."

John Hallman, THX director of strategic planning, told TechNewsWorld that RipGuard is the first product verified by the company's lab. "We've been doing this work internally for quite some time," he explained.

"Making it a program made sense at this time based on the work with Macrovision. We envision that 'THX Verified' will be a program that we extend to a number of different areas, especially as it relates to the audio-video quality from digital cinema to the home theater," Hallman said.

Mauling or Motivating Pirates?
Implementing a "lockdown" approach like RipGuard -- in which all copying is taboo -- could encourage DVD piracy by forcing consumers with legitimate needs for DVD copies to meet those needs through pirate networks or illegal ripping tools.

"The movie industry is more interested in stopping the illegal copying of movies than they are interested in allowing legal copying," Rob Enderle, president and principal analyst of the Enderle Group in San Jose, California, told TechNewsWorld. "As long as they stay that way, they're going to fuel a market of folks [who] illegally copy movies."

As long as a DVD plays normally, copy protection won't be an issue for the average consumer, asserted Ted Schadler, a principle analyst at Forrester Research in Boston.

"You're never going to prevent hard core pirates from ripping," he told TechNewsWorld. "That's just impossible. What you try to do is make it less than just a simple nuisance factor, because if it's a nuisance factor, a lot of would-be honest people will steal it. It's that ten dollar bill on the sidewalk. People are going to pick it up."

Tougher Protection in Wings
RipGuard is just the start of tough protection for DVDs. With the introduction of high-definition DVDs, copy-protection will get tougher yet, observed Ross Rubin, director for industry analysis for the NPD Group in Port Washington, New York.

"One of the key features of the next generation of DVDs is very strong encryption," he told TechNewsWorld. "Blu-ray, for example, uses very, very strong encryption  with a code that changes for every six minutes of video. Even if someone were able to crack one of the codes, it would only unlock a small part of the film."

"High definition is really the battleground," he said, "because, even though the standard definition market will be larger for several years, the high definition DVDs come very close, if not equaling, the film experience. So in a sense, Hollywood is risking putting its crown jewels out there, so they want to ensure that those assets are protected."

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Re: Macrovision Aims To Stop DVD Rippers
« Reply #1 on: 16 February 2005, 00:48 »
anything can and will be cracked.

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Re: Macrovision Aims To Stop DVD Rippers
« Reply #2 on: 16 February 2005, 01:12 »
How does all this copy protection shit work any way? As far as I'm concerned if you can read it then you must be able to write it to another medium so copy protection sounds imposible to me.
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Re: Macrovision Aims To Stop DVD Rippers
« Reply #3 on: 16 February 2005, 02:00 »
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How does all this copy protection shit work any way? As far as I'm concerned if you can read it then you must be able to write it to another medium so copy protection sounds imposible to me.

 his post says how it works doesn't it? they use a different encryption key for every title (dvds usually have a few titles), and a different encryption key every few minutes. current programs for copying them assume the same key throughout the dvd. all this will do is encourage people to make more sophisticated programs.

But, I watch my dvds through videolan. and unless this new encryption breaks videolan, i can still backup my dvds by using videolan to stream the output to a file and encode it. If it breaks my dvd player, which they claim it doesn't, i won't buy these dvds. This doesn't appear to change anything for me.

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Re: Macrovision Aims To Stop DVD Rippers
« Reply #4 on: 16 February 2005, 07:55 »
We don't need this sort of protection...DVDs are huge files and not everybody wants to rip and then rencode. What about the people who use their PC as a media player and have all their media backed up too hooked up to a tv and sound system....but then again, there are those who rent movies and rip. Bastards.

It is a good approach towards piracy..but I think the MPAA is handling that pretty well. :fu:

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« Reply #5 on: 16 February 2005, 08:05 »
I can understand the need for a good protection scheme.

e7ement brings up a great point actually.  In my experience, for every one person who is legitimately backing up DVDs for personal use, there are 10 who are burning rental DVD's or posting the rips to alt.binaries or to a P2P network.  The same can, unfortunately, be said for mod-chips in consoles, for every one who mods it to run Linux and XBMC, there are 10 who use it to run pirated games, and cheat on XBL and XBC.

Like it or not, sites like suprnova and lokitorrent were distributing copyrighted works without the consent of the original authors, which does violate Federal US copyright law.
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Re: Macrovision Aims To Stop DVD Rippers
« Reply #6 on: 16 February 2005, 17:39 »
Quote from: Stryker
his post says how it works doesn't it? they use a different encryption key for every title (dvds usually have a few titles), and a different encryption key every few minutes. current programs for copying them assume the same key throughout the dvd. all this will do is encourage people to make more sophisticated programs.
for me.



Perhaps I'm misunderstanding things but you don't have to decode data to copy it. When you copy something all you're doing is reading binary data from on piece of media and writing it to another -  the computer doesn't have to decrypt anything.
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Re: Macrovision Aims To Stop DVD Rippers
« Reply #7 on: 17 February 2005, 02:24 »
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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding things but you don't have to decode data to copy it. When you copy something all you're doing is reading binary data from on piece of media and writing it to another -  the computer doesn't have to decrypt anything.

 i dont believe they can do anything to prevent you from reading the raw data from a dvd and putting it on another. this isn't what they are trying to prevent though. they are preventing people from creating a video file of their dvds.

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Re: Macrovision Aims To Stop DVD Rippers
« Reply #8 on: 17 February 2005, 03:10 »
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i dont believe they can do anything to prevent you from reading the raw data from a dvd and putting it on another. this isn't what they are trying to prevent though. they are preventing people from creating a video file of their dvds.


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If I pay good money for a DVD, and I want to rip some or part of it to a video (or audio) file for my personal use, there is nothing wrong with that.

But then the MPAA whines about how many biillions of dollars they are losing  and how they can't allow us fair use rights because that would also allow piracy.  This is crap.  Why do I need to suffer for piracy?  I'm the paying customer!
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Re: Macrovision Aims To Stop DVD Rippers
« Reply #9 on: 17 February 2005, 03:54 »
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RANT MODE ON

If I pay good money for a DVD, and I want to rip some or part of it to a video (or audio) file for my personal use, there is nothing wrong with that.

But then the MPAA whines about how many biillions of dollars they are losing  and how they can't allow us fair use rights because that would also allow piracy.  This is crap.  Why do I need to suffer for piracy?  I'm the paying customer!

 why did you quote me before saying that? You talking to me? I don't agree with it, what gave you the impression that I did?

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« Reply #10 on: 18 February 2005, 03:01 »
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why did you quote me before saying that? You talking to me? I don't agree with it, what gave you the impression that I did?


Not at all..   You were talking about how they want to keep us from making video files.  I think you are right.   I quoted you because I think you summed up the whole issue very well.
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« Reply #11 on: 18 February 2005, 04:45 »
seemed like u thought i was for the cause and was directing your rant at me.

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« Reply #12 on: 18 February 2005, 16:21 »
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seemed like u thought i was for the cause and was directing your rant at me.

Sorry it seemed that way.
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