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« Reply #30 on: 8 November 2002, 13:29 »
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:


So, are they making *you* use Windows?  Do you use Windows?  Nothing's stopping you from building your own computer and putting Linux on it, and furthermore there are companies you can buy computers with Linux preinstalled from.  As for "mutilating standards," wasn't Bill Gates' slogan when he founded Microsoft "we set the standard"?  If you don't want Windows to be the standard then for god's sake do something about it.  Tell as many people as you can not to use IE.  Email webmasters if their page wasn't tested in Mozilla properly, etc.  But as long as a company controls what OS goes onto 97% of personal computers, they will always set what the standard is.  You know everyone in the world could dump windows *today* and Microsoft would go out of business overnight.  So don't tell me this isn't a problem that ignorant computer users have created themselves.

[ November 08, 2002: Message edited by: Windows XP User #5225982375 ]



I use Linux.

M$ has done everything in their power to limit consumer choice.  For years they had tight deals with OEMs that made it so an OEM had to pay M$ for every computer sold, wether it had windows or not.  This then burdend any OEM who puts another OS on a computer they sell.  They still have to pay for windows.  This drove the price for any computer sold without windows sky high.  This type of practice was in place and secured M$'s OS's monoploy way back in the DOS days, even before windows existed.  M$ is using their financial might to prevent the sale of computers without OSes.  Sure, that dosn't prevent people from building their own computers, but that would be an extra burden.  Some people are very busy and don't want to have to take the time to gather up all the parts and put them together.  Sure, in rare spots, you can find computers without windows now, but this is only recent.

"We set the standards", yeah yeah yeah.  If Bill Gates says it...  M$ set the standard they own.  And by not letting any other software provider use the standard, they force anyone who needs to read the standard document type to use M$ software.  This is another way M$ attepmts to force people to use windoze.  They also use this to force people to upgrade.  There is such a thing as open standards you know, standards that anyone can use.  But, microsoft has made windows specifically so that compeditors software cannot run on it.  They have kept the info to make applications on the 'standard OS' windows secret form anyone not on their favored list.

I could go on, but there is pleany of documentation on this site under the 'What's so bad about microsoft' section, I suggest you read it.  And just you wait for Palladium.

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« Reply #31 on: 8 November 2002, 15:47 »
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:


Wow, some people do have common sense. I get sick of tax money being used to fight MS. I PAY TAXES...I would rather my tax money be used for stuff like fixing the roads in my city, and other stuff that will actually benefit society rather than have it all get pissed away in the courts fighting a company who helps innovate the rapid groth in x86 technology(If Linux was the top dawg OS we would all still have 166mhz machines with non-accelerated video and audio). MS is a giant, thier software is popular all over the world and there is really nothing that can be done to stop them from dominating the software market.




That is a well thought out, and intelligent reply.

   :rolleyes:  

Me thinks you need to spent a little less time listening to Britney Spears MP3s on Windows Media Player, and more time reading a US History book so you can see what monopolies, oligopolies, and trusts accomplish. Pay particular attention to the Post-Civil War period, and a company called Standard Oil.  Then, see if you can form an analogy that represents the current market situation involving modern technology.

When you have an educated opinion, check back. Until then, don't be like an American Football Player on a scholarship...OPEN THE BOOK.

[ November 08, 2002: Message edited by: LorKorub / BOB ]

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« Reply #32 on: 8 November 2002, 18:28 »
Palliduim will end Microsoft anyway, and i keep saying if it doesnt I will

ARE YOU WITH ME

Zombie is just a slave! He will never be free because that doesnt support what he wants, if he used open source, he wouldnt have the large array of P2P (Only GnuTella, Limewire) to download his child porn.

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« Reply #33 on: 8 November 2002, 22:56 »
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:


So, are they making *you* use Windows?  Do you use Windows?  Nothing's stopping you from building your own computer and putting Linux on it, and furthermore there are companies you can buy computers with Linux preinstalled from.  As for "mutilating standards," wasn't Bill Gates' slogan when he founded Microsoft "we set the standard"?  If you don't want Windows to be the standard then for god's sake do something about it.  Tell as many people as you can not to use IE.  Email webmasters if their page wasn't tested in Mozilla properly, etc.  But as long as a company controls what OS goes onto 97% of personal computers, they will always set what the standard is.  You know everyone in the world could dump windows *today* and Microsoft would go out of business overnight.  So don't tell me this isn't a problem that ignorant computer users have created themselves.

[ November 08, 2002: Message edited by: Windows XP User #5225982375 ]



The market has to be fair and right now, it is heavily slanted in M$ favour. The manufactures and M$ are so tightly bound they are almost one and the same. M$ want control, you can see by their Palladium strategy that they are going check up on what you are running and if it's not to M$ liking, you're fucked. We don't need this digital security bollox anyway, what is it for ? It's a bullshit smokescreen by M$ playing on fuckwit computer users' fears to gain absolute control over the desktop.  
At least Walmart and to a lesser extent Fry's are offering boxes preinstalled with Linux at a great price. Any person that asks my advice on PCs I tell them to stay clear of window$, use Mac or Linux. That's how the word will get out.
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« Reply #34 on: 9 November 2002, 21:44 »
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Originally posted by LorKorub / BOB:


That is a well thought out, and intelligent reply.

      :rolleyes:      

Me thinks you need to spent a little less time listening to Britney Spears MP3s on Windows Media Player, and more time reading a US History book so you can see what monopolies, oligopolies, and trusts accomplish. Pay particular attention to the Post-Civil War period, and a company called Standard Oil.  Then, see if you can form an analogy that represents the current market situation involving modern technology.

When you have an educated opinion, check back. Until then, don't be like an American Football Player on a scholarship...OPEN THE BOOK.

[ November 08, 2002: Message edited by: LorKorub / BOB ]




Me listen to Brittney Spears?  Ehhh...No...it's more like I listen to artists like Disturbed, Slipknot, Metallica, Pantera, Linkin Park, Eminem, Papa Roach, Godsmack, Limp Bizkit, KoRn, etc.

I don't like hip-hop, pop, techno or boy bands. ;P

(EDIT)Oh yeah! What is up with that "Me Thinks" shit? You are talking like a god damn 2 year old. Do you really expect for me to take a person who talks like a baby seriously?

[ November 09, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]


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« Reply #35 on: 9 November 2002, 21:46 »
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Originally posted by Ex Eleven / b0b 2.1:
Palliduim will end Microsoft anyway, and i keep saying if it doesnt I will

ARE YOU WITH ME

Zombie is just a slave! He will never be free because that doesnt support what he wants, if he used open source, he wouldnt have the large array of P2P (Only GnuTella, Limewire) to download his child porn.



Mother fucker, I don't need any porn on my puter because I see the real thing almost everyday(from my g/f and some other women that my g/f doesn't need to know about       :D      ). I'm not some dorky, turtle looking mother fucker like 90% of you Linux Zealots...therefore I can go see the real thing wheras you probably sit in your hut and masterbaute to wallpaperas with women in them, porn pics, etc.

Fuck off already you stupid nerd.

(EDIT)For the record, the Gnutella netowrk sucks. It is almost impossibl to get steady download speeds on it, the users on the network are greedy(they like to download from people but they don't want to return the favor). The size of the community is small compared to networks like Kazaa(meaning there isn't nearly as much stuff that youc an actually get from Gnutella). Another thing I hate about Gnutella is how it constantly refreshes connections to the network(which slows down downloads big time).

Kazaa, WinMX, iMesh and even E-Donkey have Gnutella beat in every aspect. LimeWire is nothing to brag about either.

[ November 09, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]


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« Reply #36 on: 9 November 2002, 21:51 »
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Originally posted by Ex Eleven / b0b 2.1:
What you dont see is that the people using Windows dont know what Linux is! XP Luser, if Linux was so bad, why would i use it... Im better then you in every way, i know more about life and computers then you closed little mind will ever!

And im not the only one, there are MizillionkazillilionDillions of us...

People better then you/zombie/rrs on this forum:
Me
Calum
m0r
voidmain
psyjax
chaosforages
macman
and everyone one else pretty much!

You people seem to think life in limited to Computers, i have come to the conclusion that its the Windows Zealots that are the real nerds. Because your minds are to closed to comprehend anything but Computers, how easy they are... and stuff... Your minds are to closed to comprehend anything that is not helping you... And your selfishness has made you into very evil individuals... But of cource, thanks to the Internet you can take out your life frustrations on us at the forum. We dont goto Windows forums posting "Windiws sux u l4m3rs" we do advise people when we can. You people dedicate your lives to bothering us on the forum.

So next time you call sombody a low life, yours are as low as they get, i advise all, and most of you to please seek help. Social indiferences can be a problem... I had them when i was 8 years old too. Most of us know what life can be like but you could at least commit mass murder and bombings instead of taking it out on us.



I hate to break it to you buddy, but you or nobody else on this forum is better than anybody. A human is a human. Software choice, personal preferences, etc. does not make 1 human better than another human. I always thought that you were a nerd, now I know you are. Only a geeky nerd would define a humans status by the software he/she uses.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #37 on: 10 November 2002, 00:43 »
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Originally posted by LorKorub / BOB:


Until then, don't be like an American Football Player on a scholarship...OPEN THE BOOK.

[ November 08, 2002: Message edited by: LorKorub / BOB ]



i realize it has nothing to do w/ the post, but i play american football and im smart, asshole  :mad:  ... i mean yeah that except w/o the "asshole" part. but you cant stereotype people like that, especially if you dont know them! thats like me calling french frogs, or germans nazis, or brits.. well.. i leave that alone   ;)    :D  . not everything fits into a neat little, organizable category.

oh and im sorry if you think i may have been "blowing up" on you, just dont like stereotypes. thats all
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mn- micro-nazism - from the post comparing Gates to Hitler. I did not make up this term, "micro-nazism", i merely use it.

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« Reply #38 on: 11 November 2002, 05:42 »
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:

I hate to break it to you buddy, but you or nobody else on this forum is better than anybody. A human is a human. Software choice, personal preferences, etc. does not make 1 human better than another human. I always thought that you were a nerd, now I know you are. Only a geeky nerd would define a humans status by the software he/she uses.   :rolleyes:  



The choices that people make determine weather they are good or bad.  In the 1930s, germans flocked to the Nazi party because it was popular and controlled the media.  They said it worked.  They thought Hitler was right and that the Nazi was was the best way to live.  A few, more intelligent germans decided to go against the Nazis.  Some left Germany.  But the masses didn't know or accept that the Nazi's were evil until right after they lost the war.  A similar situation is before us.  Zombie is the kind of person who will flock to that which is popular without even thinking about it.  He would just follow the herd.  Had he been born in Germany during 100 years ago, he would no doubt have followed and strongly supported Hitler.  Unfortunately, there will always be some people like this.I wonder what he will say when M$ finally does crash and burn.

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« Reply #39 on: 11 November 2002, 06:38 »
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
Microsoft integrates IE, WMP, etc. into their OS.  So what.  It's their software and their right.  If you don't like it, don't use it.  Nobody is making anyone use Windows.  Some people have a hard time grasping that.


YES THEY ARE!!!! about 10% of all business related programs ONLY work w/ windows. so basicly its use these programs or your fired.. if that isnt MAKING you use it, then what is?
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mn- micro-nazism - from the post comparing Gates to Hitler. I did not make up this term, "micro-nazism", i merely use it.

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« Reply #40 on: 11 November 2002, 06:55 »
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Originally posted by Got Root? / Bob:


YES THEY ARE!!!! about 10% of all business related programs ONLY work w/ windows. so basicly its use these programs or your fired.. if that isnt MAKING you use it, then what is?



Well put!

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« Reply #41 on: 11 November 2002, 08:46 »
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Originally posted by Got Root? / Bob:


YES THEY ARE!!!! about 10% of all business related programs ONLY work w/ windows. so basicly its use these programs or your fired.. if that isnt MAKING you use it, then what is?



Ah ha!  So you admit that there are programs needed for business that Linux can't run.  Isn't that admitting that it isn't a complete solution?  As for "needing windows" to run your business apps, I'm sure you could just buy a mac for those few programs, in which case you would be wrong and you wouldn't have to use Windows for anything.  So it's like I said: nobody is forcing you to use windows.  nobody is forcing businesses to use windows.  The competition is small, but it's there.  People are simply under the impression that they can't live without Windows, and I think people like void main who don't use Windows at all prove them wrong.

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« Reply #42 on: 11 November 2002, 08:57 »
WindowsXP what the  hell happened to you?
 
 I am    :confused:      :confused:      :confused:

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« Reply #43 on: 11 November 2002, 21:25 »
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Ah ha!  So you admit that there are programs needed for business that Linux can't run.  Isn't that admitting that it isn't a complete solution?  As for "needing windows" to run your business apps, I'm sure you could just buy a mac for those few programs, in which case you would be wrong and you wouldn't have to use Windows for anything.  So it's like I said: nobody is forcing you to use windows.  nobody is forcing businesses to use windows.  The competition is small, but it's there.  People are simply under the impression that they can't live without Windows, and I think people like void main who don't use Windows at all prove them wrong.




1. yeah i admit there are programs linux cant run.. it isnt really admitting it, because i never denied it. see, mn uses formats that ONLY mn progs can open, so you cant use a 3rd party linux prog to open ALL of the files you need.

2. i never said there was a solution. im not a die-hard linux superuser that says linux is god you will all die and be eaten. if i say that im joking. i think that linux IS superior, but some needs can only be met w/ a windows system, as sad as it is to say.

3. again, a mac cant run all the neccesary programs, not to mention i have little respect for mac, anyways. they are big etch-a-sketches

4. people are forcing us to use windows, same as 1, there are certain file types.

5. business's are forcing themselves to use windows, by beleiving false advertisements, untrue promises, and hopefull wishing. mn makes us believe it will solve our problems, only to cause more. not to mention the whole IBM thing, about ONLY using windows. some people cant afford IT's and NEED someone to basicly bottle feed them servers, like IBM does, and RackMount.

6. the compitition isnt small, it just cant advertise as much as mn. Open Source DOESNT get a profit, most the time. the only thing that keeps them alive is 500 people who tell 500 friends, who inturn tell another 500 friends, and 200 or them make a website about it, informing 500,000 people who tell 500,000 people who join a forum to fight the evil that is closed source mn,  a virus pleagueing the computer world. Linux, Unix, and other opensource OS's stay alive with there reputation of people good os's. is mn didnt advertise, they would die in 10 years. if they were open source, they would thrive for 100 years more.

7. Why do you think people are under the impression they cant live w/o windows? maybe cause of the formats that mn made up to squash the competitors, maybe because they have deals w/ business's like IBM? maybe because some programs are NEEDED and only run on a win32 kernal, but that same program, if one person gets a free copy of it and installs it on there pc, if they are on a network and it is a network app, the entire network has to BUY it for the serial code, and install it, because alot of mn progs ARENT backwards compatible? there is alot of reasons why mn FORCES us to use windows. ok, so you say "well you dont have to use a computer then". ok, what about if you are in a job, then need excel, linux doesnt have it, would you quit the job because you didnt like windows? would you die out of spite? didnt think so. that is force. you cannot deny that microsoft doenst have the power to make excel, word perfect, or windows cost upwards on $3000. or as low as $20. you cannot deny that they have the world by the balls. now, that is a monopoly.
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mn- micro-nazism - from the post comparing Gates to Hitler. I did not make up this term, "micro-nazism", i merely use it.

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« Reply #44 on: 11 November 2002, 21:30 »
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3. again, a mac cant run all the neccesary programs, not to mention i have little respect for mac, anyways. they are big etch-a-sketches.


Thought you didn't have any biases, since your experience with Mac's are based largeley on stereotypes  

Sorry, I'm an Apple defender  :D
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