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« Reply #15 on: 28 May 2003, 04:35 »
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Originally posted by Panos:
A work of art is a unique creation of a certain aesthetical, historical and cultural value. I don't agree that programming is an art form especially since no human emotions are involved in the process. This is just me though and I see that a lot of you disagree with that, as I happen to disagree with you.          


  It depends though what kind of program you write and for whom you write for.
 For example, if you write a program for a bank simply because your boss told you so, even though the program it self might be something to admire its not art.

  But if for example you write code for an application that really makes your skip a beat (Adding features to KDE, or improving the AI, or creating/improving a code that really breaks new grounds) that is art in the grounds of that you have a concept that is dear to you and you made it happen. You gave it life and its one of a kind.


  Here is a good example.
 All the extras in Lord of the rings the two towers that are in the background fighting, they are all computer animated.
  Did you know that each character had its own AI and the fighting bewtween them was not predetermined or predesigned? Now that for me was art. Art that was complimented by excellent graphics. And creating graphics is an art form as well. No doubt about that.

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« Reply #16 on: 28 May 2003, 04:50 »
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Originally posted by bazoukas:


  It depends though what kind of program you write and for whom you write for.
 For example, if you write a program for a bank simply because your boss told you so, even though the program it self might be something to admire its not art.

  But if for example you write code for an application that really makes your skip a beat (Adding features to KDE, or improving the AI, or creating/improving a code that really breaks new grounds) that is art in the grounds of that you have a concept that is dear to you and you made it happen. You gave it life and its one of a kind.


  Here is a good example.
 All the extras in Lord of the rings the two towers that are in the background fighting, they are all computer animated.
  Did you know that each character had its own AI and the fighting bewtween them was not predetermined or predesigned? Now that for me was art. Art that was complimented by excellent graphics. And creating graphics is an art form as well. No doubt about that.

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Again, I tend to disagree, mainly because we share a different definition of what art is.     And that's really the beauty of it.   ;)

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« Reply #17 on: 28 May 2003, 12:53 »
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i forget the names, but there was this guy who shit in bottles on the 70's, and people started snatching them up recently calling it "brilliant" or something.


I think I'll stick with acrylic.

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« Reply #18 on: 28 May 2003, 13:46 »
quote:
Originally posted by Panos:
A work of art is a unique creation of a certain aesthetical, historical and cultural value. I don't agree that programming is an art form especially since no human emotions are involved in the process. This is just me though and I see that a lot of you disagree with that, as I happen to disagree with you.      


 Have you done programs in C++, java (bleh), fotran?
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« Reply #19 on: 28 May 2003, 15:09 »
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Originally posted by bazoukas:


 Have you done programs in C++, java (bleh), fotran?



Nope. Keep in mind that I'm not a coder nor do I intend to be.   :D  All I know is HTML, XHTML and some PHP.  

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« Reply #20 on: 30 May 2003, 14:36 »
Well my point is that, half of the unoriginal bullshit done in photoshop is called art, then there is a lot of real art done in photoshop.

I think that everyone in this thread had a useful opinion, except... (drum roll) mac man.
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« Reply #21 on: 30 May 2003, 15:05 »
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Originally posted by X11: BTFH:
Well my point is that, half of the unoriginal bullshit done in photoshop is called art, then there is a lot of real art done in photoshop.

I think that everyone in this thread had a useful opinion, except... (drum roll) mac man.





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« Reply #22 on: 30 May 2003, 15:06 »
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 Have you done programs in C++, java (bleh), fotran?



Dont like java huh? Thats ok there is an alternative. Microsoft .NET

I wish java was as flexible as C++, and Im making it my personal goal to learn java so that I can create cutting edge applications(games) that will be usable on all platforms.

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« Reply #23 on: 31 May 2003, 01:46 »
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Originally posted by ThePreacher:


Dont like java huh? Thats ok there is an alternative. Microsoft .NET

I wish java was as flexible as C++, and Im making it my personal goal to learn java so that I can create cutting edge applications(games) that will be usable on all platforms.

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Good. Games being only available for Windows IS THE MOST ANNOYING THING IN THE WORLD!!! You should do a coup of Blizzard. They put out all their stuff for Mac, but I don't know about Linux. Plus they are literally gods.

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« Reply #24 on: 1 June 2003, 13:19 »
I'm about to get emotional so bear with me.

Code is an art, but not a presentation art. It's a personal art, and in some ways a performance art. I code to satisfy myself, it keeps me sane. I don't code for anyone else, I create software for everyone else. The structure, flexibility, power, scalibility, and speed all come out to decide it's beauty. We cannot compare paint or pixels with ones and zeros because they are different fruit.

Art has a defined process. Definition, Creation, Review, Feedback. For most performance and presentation arts, an audience takes the role of Review and Feedback, but when looking at code as a personal art, the coder takes the role of all four, definition, creation, review, feedback. Looking at it as a performance art, it performs in a structured, but unpredictable manner. I dont mean unpredictable as in buggy unpredictable. Take for instance the World Trade Centers. I considered them beautiful before they were gone. To me that means that they were a work of art despite the fact that they are just as logical and unpredictable as coding.
In unpredictable I mean that you can't classify a piece of software and know what it will be like. It has distinct features, distinct behaviour, and a distinct look. It can be abstracted, but no more than any other art.

Art to me is admiration. A piece of art is something that is beautiful. I see code as beautiful because of it's precise stream. You know the resulting software will do exactly what's in the code, but that doesn't mean that by reading the code you will know what the software will do.

Code can do anything. It's not limited to showing pixels, or for showing emotion either. On the opposite end of the spectrum it's not limited to show only logic either.

Code can create chaos. If something could only be logicial, it could not create chaos. Code can attack other code, which can cause other code to fail, which takes away power from half of New York state.

Bottom line: Art is what is beautiful.
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« Reply #25 on: 1 June 2003, 13:50 »
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Well that wasn't art.  I think it qualified as kitsch though!  :D  Anyway well said Solo.  ;)
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« Reply #26 on: 1 June 2003, 13:57 »
Programming is an art when done well.
In painting the artist takes pigments and arranges them on a canvas to form an idea.  Note that it does NOT have to be aesthetically pleasing - in fact I think a lot of art that is ugly is better because it makes you think more.  In programming the "artist" takes "pigments" (code lines) and arranges them to form a final work - just because it's functional does not stop it from being creative and artistic.

And to whoever it was that tried to prove arguments by quoting dictionaries:
1)definitions change from version to version
2)music doesn't seem to fit "neatly" into that definition either
3)dictionaries conform to a societies definition of a word, not the other way round
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« Reply #27 on: 2 June 2003, 04:14 »
While we're at it, let's continue the Cheerleading, Sport of not, debate. And then for good measure, a Console Vs. PC one too. And for dessert, Religion Vs. Athiesm.

Monday night debate, ya'll.

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« Reply #28 on: 2 June 2003, 04:39 »
im all on for a monday night debate, but lets make it involve porn
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« Reply #29 on: 2 June 2003, 04:41 »
Cheerleading is NOT sport!

PCs are MUCH better than consoles!

And there IS no god!