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shuiend:
Wow I havent posted here in ages.
I personally am very liberal on most issues. First off it sucks that i will not be able to vote this election because I am 17. I believe Bush is a moron. I do like some of his programs though, No child left behind, Guns, and Space programs. Other then that he hasent really helped America become a better nation as I see it.
Now with that being said I dont support Kerry either. He is a doushebag and is just as bad as Bush.
I dont support either of the major parties though for diffrent reasons then most. I am very against corporate money in elections. Corporations dont have a right to vote, hence they should not have a right to give money to running candidates. That is my biggest problem with the 2 major parties.
I personally am a Nader supporter because he best represents my values as where I want America to go. universal health insurance, A mininum wage that you can live off, alternate energy sources, environment friendly, against patriot act, against corporate crime, wants to end the war on drugs, voting age 16.
Bush is against most of those values so that is why I would not vote for him.
Also xeen I would like you to actually start a post about the 9/11 attacks. I do not know if they were staged or not. I wouldnt doubt it though if they were and I would like to get whatever info you have on it.
Laukev7:
I second xeen's statement. There are more holes in the official 9/11 story than in every Microsoft software put together, and the evidence that 9/11 was a scam is overwhelming. The idea that a vast global network of Muslim terrorists want to destroy America because they hate their freedoms is even more far-fetched a conspiracy theory than the accusations of cover-up against the American government. Also, the lies used as justification for the war on Iraq make it official that the Bush administration can no longer be given the benefit of doubt.
Stilly:
xeen, you said you haven't found any evidence to support the official story. have you really tried to find evidence for it?
I honestly dont think the attacks were staged. ive even heard that a plane didn't hit the pentagon. which made me think why wouldn't the US use a real plane if they wanted to make it look authentic.
and laukev, dont forget its not the first time the wtc was attacked. and they didn't attack because they hate our freedom. I think it either had to do with millitary bases on their holy lands or something. it might have been a protest of free trade or something though.
skyman8081:
The "They hate our freedom" is only part of it.
Al queda is mainly trying to prevent us from allying with and supporting Israel.
The agenda of the Terror networks are:
[*]Destroy the current US government[*]Make the US abandon Israel[*]Make America ally with/recognise the Nation of Palestine[*]Replace the predominately Athesitic/Christian Government with an Islamic theocracy that follows the islamic law[/list]
that last point is there the "They hate our freedoms" come in. Al Queda disagree's with any freedoms/rights that conflict with islamic law. (Women's Rights, etc...)
If the 9/11 attacks were staged, my one question is: How?
Who would send operatives to hijack one of their own airplanes, into a building of your own citizens, less than a year after your election to justify a war that won't happen for another 2 years?
Edited to add: Although I disagree with most of you here, I do respect your opinions, and your right to hold them.
[ September 03, 2004: Message edited by: Agent Sauron ]
worker201:
The Arab peoples have some rights. The right to govern themselves the way they choose, the right to determine their own economic future, and the right to not have the United States up their ass every damn day. The fact that they have been denied these basic freedoms is why they get so angry. The goings-on in Africa and the Middle East over the past few years are the result of Western imperialism gone awry. IIIIIIFFFFFFF the US and the rest of the world would just leave them alone and let them reset their borders and elect who they want and sell their products to the highest bidder, I bet they would be the center of world peace in five years max. But that would probably cause gasoline prices in the US to rise to well over $5/gallon. And we are so used to prices being artificially kept low that we would flip out. Plus, the giant American oil companies wouldn't be raking in trillions of dollars on MidEast oil anymore, so they wouldn't be happy.
Which leaves us right where we are, with nothing changing but the price of a night in the Lincoln bedroom. If you really wanted to change any of this, you would sell your car today and buy only recycled products.
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