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skyman8081:
I agree, the palestinians do have he right of existance and self-determination.
now the problem is this:
[*]Israel has claims to some of the land in the middle east.[*]Radical Arabic sects feel threatened with a Jewish state.[*]Israel has the right to defend its borders
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Israel also has the right of existance and self-determination.
worker201:
Correct.
If Israel is assumed to be a sovereign nation, then they have the same rights as, for example, Syria. However, if you check into your history, you will see that Israel may not have an acceptable claim to their land, in the same way that Brittain does not have any claim on India. Very tricky situation.
Laukev7:
quote: and laukev, dont forget its not the first time the wtc was attacked.
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It's not the first time that the US has tried to stage terror attacks, either. Operation Northwoods is but one example.
quote: xeen, you said you haven't found any evidence to support the official story. have you really tried to find evidence for it?
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It is up to the government to prove the people that it is really Al Qaeda who caused the attacks. Having read the newspaper and watched ABC, I haven't seen proof, and the US government refused to provide it to the Taliban. All I have heard so far is arrests of alleged Al Qaeda members.
[ September 03, 2004: Message edited by: Laukev7 / BOB ]
flap:
quote:The "They hate our freedom" is only part of it.
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No, it isn't any of it. I laugh everytime I hear someone from the administration coming out with that absurd line. That's just a way of stopping Americans from asking the question "Why do they hate us?" It's easier to sate the American populace by telling them that their freedom is under attack rather than making them aware of the real reasons why so many people are justifiably hostile towards the US.
A summary of US false-flag operations and deliberate provocation of other powers to create excuses for military action:
http://www.911review.org/Wiki/FakeTerror.shtml
More on WTC 1993 by Ralph Schoenman:
http://wbaifree.org/takingaim/articles/wtc93.html
There are also lots of good videos on http://www.snowshoefilms.com about 9/11, false flag operations etc from people like Schoenman and Michel Chossouovsky.
Xeen:
quote:Also xeen I would like you to actually start a post about the 9/11 attacks. I do not know if they were staged or not. I wouldnt doubt it though if they were and I would like to get whatever info you have on it.
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I am so lazy right now to type up a good explanantion that includes everything about 9/11 being a scam.
Here are a few videos you MUST watch:
http://pages.infinit.net/noc/pentagon.swf
http://www.question911.com/
Finally, here is another movie about the events of 9/11:
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
This is the 9/11 movie that is being sent to people all across the country, and is being discussed everywhere where 9/11 truth is being discussed.
It's not a free movie...but you can download it from any file sharing service for free.
ALso, go to amazon.com and check out the dozens of books about 9/11.
I'll try to write some stuff up later. ALso note that the 9/11 truth movement is growing very fast. Already lots of news and talk radio shows nationwide are discussing the truth, letters by citizens are being sent out to government and news agencies, etc.. There are also lots of 9/11 truth protests going on, but the mainstream media doesn't report on them. It may take another week, month, year, or possibly years before the truth behind 9/11 sparks the 2nd American Revolution but make no doubt about it - it will. My money's on sometime within the next year.
[ September 03, 2004: Message edited by: xeen ]
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