Author Topic: Discussion: The Matrix...Just what was it's operating system anyway  (Read 2799 times)

pofnlice

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OK, we all saw the movies some the anime and others the game...Now lets talk about which O/S did them damn sentient computers use...I say it was deffinately open source and not Winblowz.  If they used windows, how many times would the machines have crashed and died causing the total extiction of everything...Also, is Jimmy Agent Smith?
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I say it was closed source Unix.  Probably something from SCO.  Cold, evil and uncaring but still with a reasonable amount of stability.
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No. They obviously ended up writing thier own OS that would be vastly superiour to any man made OS due to the fact that they are machines.

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See machines, I told you it was sco.  :-D
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Why would their being machines qualify them as better software engineers?
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doctors can't operate on themselves, I believe Freud tried and cut out his gums... ewwwwwww

anyway...I think it was a hybrid of Midori Linux, it did have Japanese characters in those code lines running down the screen...

Where is agent Smith any way???
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The second movie showed of programs that went out of control and became ghosts werewolves and things.  One of their security features, an 'agent', became a virus and spread like mad.  It was revealed that the matrix was in its 6th generation after the first 5 failed.

I think The Matrix is run on Windows.

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Here's what I think: Linux is going to win the software war. No-one uses Windows, and Linux has a market share of 78%. People unite (partly because of Linux, the universal operating system) and create the big AI.

The AI starts to care for itself and writes the Matrix on the operating system it was already given to it by humans.

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Does Midori even exist anymore???  If so, could the Matrix be Midori's revenge for becoming so forgotten.
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It was a unix system because Trinity hacked it through a (actually real) bug in ssh.

Must have been SCO.
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I don't think a positronic net would have an "OS" aside from "conciousness"

remember, true AI isn't digital, but analog. sentience cannot be programmed, it can only happen.

and yes. I AM Agent Smith, Mr. Bastard.

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quote:
Originally posted by flap:
Why would their being machines qualify them as better software engineers?


The answer to this question lies in economical aspects, as well as physical differences between machines and humans and intelligence advantages of the former.

For one thing, an average human being has a life expectancy of 78 years, 5 of which are spent playing with toys, 12 of which are spent in grade school, and 8 more years in University (numbers may vary with the school system), which gives us a total of 25 years of formation, and 13+ more years in retirement, if we assume that the person retires at 65. This gives the human software engineer an effective work period of only 40 years. A fact that must also be taken in consideration is that humans need to sleep 8 hours per day, which is about a third of a whole day. So the total work period is only of 27 years. And since humans don't work 2 days out of seven, multiplying 5/7 per 27 gives about 20 years of work.

While for now, machines may not last as long as humans years, though they may last much longer in 50 years, they cost much less in maintenance and training costs than human beings. Training costs of human engineers are high, whether for the student or the state that sponsors his studies; whereas a machine has a zero training cost, assuming that the software of the machine is included in its assembly costs. Furthermore, the success of the training of the human engineer is not garanteed, and the failure rate is generally high, therefore resulting in a scant number of software engineers. On the other hand, since machines are all assembled by machines themselves, and all equal, a much higher number of robot engineers is obtained than human engineers, and the cost of defect robots is much lower than that of human rejects. Another important fact to consider is that there is no cost related to machine retirement: the obselete machines are simply recycled into other machines, and there is no need for maintaing machines, because they do not need or care about resting before dying.

Furthermore, the energy source of machines is more practical and steady than that of living beings. Humans depend on a food and sleep in order to survive, and must regularly interrupt their activities to nourrish, whereas machines can run on a constant source of energy. Humans are also more polluting than machines, as they emit carbon dioxide, whereas machines that feed on hydroelectrical energy do not emit any pollution. Machines are also much more robust than humans, making them more resistant to accidents and untimely demises, as well as fatigue.

It is a well known fact that computers have much more processing power than humans. While it is true that developping the necessary artificial intelligence to allow computers to program themselves will take a long time, the raw processing power of a computer allied with such a possibility would make computers infinitely more powerful software engineers than human beings. Also, since a computer is automated, and cannot make trivial mistakes such as 2 + 2 = 5, they would be likely to write much fewer bugs than human engineers.

In conclusion, the longevity, the robustness, the lower costs and the higher processing power could potentially make machines much better software engineers than human beings. This is why the human species must work on improving their reliaility and their longevity, by concentrating scientific research in genetics, or it will be a matter of time before humans become obselete in less than half a century from now. Those matters must be taken seriously, or the HBOS (Human Brain Operating System) may become another loved but extinct technology like the Amiga or BeOS.

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flap

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The physical differences between humans and machines really only amount to a 'quantity over quality' argument i.e. it's akin to suggesting that if you sit 1000 monkeys in front of 1000 keyboards you'll end up with a good piece of software. What's important is the intelligence and creativity of the programmer, not how many man (or machine) hours you throw at the problem. A 3 billion teraflop super computer running for a year might not write as good a piece of code as a 16 year old novice programmer could do in an hour.

On the other hand, the computer might be able to do a better job in a few seconds, if its artificial intelligence is somehow superior to that of a human's natural intelligence. But its level of intelligence is not necessarily proportional to the processing power available. For example, a genius hacker could probably write in a couple of hours a better piece of software to solve a particular problem than a team of 100 below-average talented programmers could manage in a year, or could ever manage for that matter.

 
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Also, since a computer is automated, and cannot make trivial mistakes such as 2 + 2 = 5, they would be likely to write much fewer bugs than human engineers.


True; provided the software that was writing the software was bug-free, it could be safe to assume that the computer could internally formally prove the correctness of any code it produced, so it could be bug-free, but that still doesn't guarantee quality of implementation. It might be too slow, or the machine might not be able to produce a program to do what it actually wants to do, simply because it lacks human intuition/creativity.
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Another thing, what was HAL based on?
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quote:
Originally posted by Faust:
Another thing, what was HAL based on?


HAL is actually IBM. IBM wouldent let Arthur C. Clarck use their brand so Mr. Clarck simply went one letter back.

Observe

H is before I in the alphabet
A is before B
and L is before M

Thus, we can conclude HAL was either running PC-DOS or OS/2 warp  :D
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