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Faust

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Ah I knew about the number rotation thing, but I originally thought that was maybe just because IBM was such a popular brand.  Know i know better I guess.  :)  AIX maybe?  That's an IBM thing isnt it?
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On the other hand, the computer might be able to do a better job in a few seconds, if its artificial intelligence is somehow superior to that of a human's natural intelligence.


Yes, as I said, computers would need an equal or superior artificial intelligence to that of humans in order to be better programmers, which I assume will probably be the case if ever we are taken over by machines. I am fully aware that processing power alone will only make a software type some random code really fast until a result is obtained, and it's possible that the output would not be the expected result.

I guess that an artificial intelligence made of electronic circuits and equal to our own would be feasible, since it has already been done by organic cells and nerves. Of course, this is likely to take a very long time, given that learning about our own brains is already a big challenge, let alone reproducing it with inorganic materials.

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What does AIX stand for, anyway?

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I guess that an artificial intelligence made of electronic circuits and equal to our own would be feasible, since it has already been by organic cells and nerves. Of course, this is likely to take a very long time, given that learning about our own brains is already a big challenge, let reproducing it with inorganic materials.


Well they'll have to find a way to store analog data in exceedingly small areas first, and it's going to be very hard to get a transistor down to the size of a neuron.  I have heard of some guy who managed to hook up enough bits to claim that he had made something equivalent to a rat brain though, so I guess they're getting there.

AIX...  nfi.  AIX is uniX?

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matrix machines seem to be very cold and very...  well ordered.  IMO machines will be by their nature mechanical, which may not be good for lateral thinking.

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Apparently AIX = Advanced IBM unix
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machines certainly will have different base concepts. if they are self aware, then they will in fact, know what they are. they'll think in terms of being a machine, not worrying about pain, or biological processes. they'd likely have less fear of injury or death, as they know that by their very nature, it's easier to repair them. as for thinking "coldly" or without emotion... not necessarily. it depends on how complex their mind is. most likley, if they have a very developed psyche, then, they would exhibit similar patterns to organic beings. Remember, though, there's a different in intelligence and sentience. a machine might be as smart, or smarter than humans, but it could be on the emotional level of a mantis or beetle.

the agents knew that they were software. they were sentient blocks of code. essentially, a software-based neural net. they were able to deal with people in a very human fashion. yeah, they were mean, and operated in a "shoot first" fashion, but they were also quick to deal, and had no reason to deceive.

I highly doubt that the matrix itself has any core software. instead, it probably has another positronic brain at its core that coordinates everything. the entire thing would have to be analog, otherwise it would require the most complex DAC ever devised... for each person.
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but what if the matrix really is winblowz driven...and the reason it keeps screwing up (other than the obvious windows thing) is because there's a server on Windows 2400 (or some shit) and all the terminals vary from 3.11 to windows 2399, since windows hates itself, wouldn't that cause some significant quirks (no offense quirk)
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The matrix can't be Windows driven, people have a reasonable level of free will within it's boundaries.  :-P
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The Matrix would have evolved out of an RTOS (Real Time Operating System), like QNX. Highly stable, efficient, Modular with fantastic clustering properties. But light years better than QNX you understand.

The "wiring" would have come from nano-tech type technology, building components using single atoms, which has already happened to a degree.

Quantum style computing could offer intelligence (in some respects) better than our own, especially mine   :(  

Quantum computation will be able to factor huge numbers simultaneously. Calculating all known variables simultaneously is a very powerful thing to posses. I read somewhere (can't quite remember were) that with a 500 atom register / stack you could calculate more variables than exist atoms in the known universe, simultaneously.

If anyone is interested there's a great book I read a couple of years ago:

"Visions - How Science will revolutionise the 21st century and beyond"

by Michio Kaku

ISBN 0 19 850086 6
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Discussion: The Matrix...Just what was it's operating system anyway
« Reply #24 on: 11 October 2003, 19:06 »
Now that's why I like Zardov...doesn't he just have a way of saying things that make you go...DUH>>>I coulda thought of that...lol
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Discussion: The Matrix...Just what was it's operating system anyway
« Reply #25 on: 11 October 2003, 20:14 »
ya... but there's still one huge misconception

electronic intelligence will not be digital. it'll be analog.
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Discussion: The Matrix...Just what was it's operating system anyway
« Reply #26 on: 14 October 2003, 02:13 »
this is kind of like the PS controller thingy with the direction buttons versus the knobby thing right

what I mean is, why would it be so critical that it be either analog or digital, couldn't it be possible it develope some other sort of datum transference?  Again one that would be superior to both?

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Discussion: The Matrix...Just what was it's operating system anyway
« Reply #27 on: 14 October 2003, 02:28 »
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Originally posted by Agent Jimmy James Smith:
ya... but there's still one huge misconception

electronic intelligence will not be digital. it'll be analog.



Perhaps, if we model machine intelligence through reverse-engineering of the human brain, which I suspect we will successfully accomplish in around 40 years or so.  However, it doesn't seem too far-fetched to me to build a machine brain that contains both analog components and digital components for doing advanced math/memory manipulation inside its head.  Kinda like a human having a calculator integrated in his brain.

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Discussion: The Matrix...Just what was it's operating system anyway
« Reply #28 on: 14 October 2003, 02:30 »
At any rate, for now we may at least be able to operate machinery directly from the brain.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A17434-2003Oct12?language=printer

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Discussion: The Matrix...Just what was it's operating system anyway
« Reply #29 on: 14 October 2003, 05:24 »
Check out this mind-bending article about quantum computing and consciousness:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?main=memelist.html?m=3%23534

Most of it went over my head but it was still very intresting.  According to the author, primitive consciousness probably evolved during the early Cambrian explosion in small worms and urchins, since they are the first known creatures to contain the theoretically necessary quantum sctructures needed to create consciousness.