Mozilla, flawed because...

[lazygamer]

A)I haven't bothered to configure it like a REAL geek.

B)Many sites knowingly or unknowingly cater only to IE.

C)The Mozilla team is doing good, but they have more work to be done.

What am I talking about? Well im refering to how there seems to be alot of sites on the internet that Mozilla doesn't like to much(or is that the other way around?). Ironically these sites work fine in internet explorer. So what do you think the reason is? I find it hard to believe that one too many web admins conciously favor IE, so that would make it either my fault or Mozilla's fault.

I hope I don't sound too hard here, as I know alot of you like Mozilla, but coughing sites are coughing sites.

[Zombie9920]

Which is one BIG reason why I refuse to use Mozilla as my preferred browser. With IE I can view every site properly...with Mozilla it is like a hit or miss. You can't surf the web in Mozilla(or any other alternative browser) and take for granted that you *WILL* be able to view *EVERY* site *PROPERLY*. No matter what the Open Source rollers say, alternative browsers do have problems with viewing or properly rendering alot of pages.

Just like with everything else Open Source...you have to give the software Authors credit for thier hard work...but thier software is a knock off of what it is trying to contend with and always falls short. With that said...I'm gonna happily stick with my IE and MS Office.

[Calum]

whoopdeedoodlydoo.

who cares if people come on here and say mozilla's crap, and they'll use IE? not me.

I use mozilla all the time and i don't have any problems. I don't come on here and shove it down people's throats though.

Use what you use, and stop thinking that a browser choice is such an important thing, that's my advice.

However be prepared for an incredible amount of under-the-hood repercussions if you use IE, due to bad coding, system 'integration', deliberate intrusion of privacy by the developers, and the need to make money over the need to make decent software.

[lazygamer]

So Calum, can alot of f0cked up websites be fixed simply by proper configuration of Mozilla?

[Pantso]

OS X comes with IE, which I uninstalled after a couple of days. The reasons?

A) I don't like using M$ products

B) It was slow and

C) It was slower than Mozilla

I now use Mozilla and Chimera, the latter being the fastest browser on earth (litterally) with absolutely no problems as to web sites being rendered properly. Everything works flawlessly in Mozilla.

[preacher]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Which is one BIG reason why I refuse to use Mozilla as my preferred browser. With IE I can view every site properly...with Mozilla it is like a hit or miss. You can't surf the web in Mozilla(or any other alternative browser) and take for granted that you *WILL* be able to view *EVERY* site *PROPERLY*. No matter what the Open Source rollers say, alternative browsers do have problems with viewing or properly rendering alot of pages.

Just like with everything else Open Source...you have to give the software Authors credit for thier hard work...but thier software is a knock off of what it is trying to contend with and always falls short. With that said...I'm gonna happily stick with my IE and MS Office.

Hit and miss? First of all mozilla works correctly with 98% of websites, the other 2% are either poorly written, or refuse to believe that everyone doesnt use IE. I dont use Windows, so MS Office and IE arent an option, but even if they were I would not use them, because I prefer Open Office and Mozilla. As for the ability to see every site properly with IE, try visiting http://stayoffmyland.cjb.net with IE. I guarantee it wont work. My only question for you is, what happens when MS starts charging for IE? Would you be willing to pay to be able to view websites, or would you rather use a browser which is free.

[Kintaro]

Yes we belive you Zombie!

Everyone with IE goto www.gilpinsgarage.cjb.net in your crappy browser. Then goto the same site in Mozilla! THE SITE RENDERS BETTER IN FUCKING LYNX THEN IE!

[KernelPanic]

The reason is because Microsoft tries to make 'standards'. Which aren't standard because they're MS only.
Retarded webmasters (usually under-13's) like to use these crappy MS 'standards'.
Major companies that do this are few and far between, those that do only cater for only 1 browser (be it IE, Mozilla whatever) are quite frankly *stupid*, because the web was not made to be cut into little tribal quarters and also --> they lose business.

If people (mosty MS) would actually conform to standards then no browser should be locked out.

And yes, I do understand that standards are often slow to be approved etc and this can cause problems, but still it's the right way. (look at XML)

[ October 19, 2002: Message edited by: Tux ]

[Master of Reality]

i have yet to find a site that wont work in Mozilla. Please, will someone show me one. Remember zombie i posted that screenshot of mozilla viewing that yahoo site you claimed wouldnt work.

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by Ex Eleven / b0b:
Yes we belive you Zombie!

Everyone with IE goto www.gilpinsgarage.cjb.net in your crappy browser. Then goto the same site in Mozilla! THE SITE RENDERS BETTER IN FUCKING LYNX THEN IE!

The only reason why it doesn't render perfectly in IE is because you made it. Honestly, what are the chances of somebody surfing the net(who doesn't visit this site) actually going there? When I say visiting pages that render better in IE I mean pages that people actually go and visit. LoL

BTW, the only thing wrong with your site in IE is the red text has white backgrounds..other than that it looks about the same in Mozilla as it does in IE. I do have to give you credit, you do a good job of exploiting the bug in IE where it doesn't render the transparency layer of png pictures. Luckily, very few sites actually use transparent pngs because of that bug. The bug has existed since IE first came out. Really I don't think that MS really cared to fix the transparency bug because the widespread usage of IE pushed the use of the jpeg format to be the standard image format.

   

quote:Originally posted by The Master of Reality / Bob:
i have yet to find a site that wont work in Mozilla. Please, will someone show me one. Remember zombie i posted that screenshot of mozilla viewing that yahoo site you claimed wouldnt work.

Ahh, but go create a Homestead account and try to login to it with Mozilla. I bet you will get a Homestead sitebuilder doesn't support this browser message.

[ October 19, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]

[Kintaro]

Actually that is a joke about the Gilpin family who goto my old school, that is my way of tourmenting them. I had no intentions of making that site not render in Internet Explorer. But because Internet Explorer is flawed and can view PNG's transperantly it does look properly. More and more sites are starting to use PNG. Let alone PNGs!

[DC]

Mozilla can render ANY HTML page correctly. If it can't, said site doesn't comply to HTML standards and is NOT HTML.
IE can also render pretty much any HTML page (though not as good), but also other, non-HTML (ie HTML + MS code) sites.

Mozilla is simply better at displaying HTML. The WWW should be HTML - that it isn't isn't Mozilla's fault, that's the fault of ignorant webmasters.

[Kintaro]

quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:



Ahh, but go create a Homestead account and try to login to it with Mozilla. I bet you will get a Homestead sitebuilder doesn't support this browser message.

[ October 19, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]

Actually i have the prefrences toolbar, so i can make Mozilla say it is IE!

[voidmain]

Is it Mozillas fault that when you go to a web site, said web site redirects you to a not supported page because the browser string doesn't say it is ">=IE 5.5"?  Even if Mozilla can view the site just fine?  This happens quite often and it is not the fault of Mozilla. It's the fault of the lame webmaster. Set your browser string to IE5.5 on Win2k and it works fine, but then you are just helping to add to the IE bean counters even though you are not using IE.

[trc3]

I use mozilla on winderz, linux and os 10 and havnt had any problems with it at all.  Its safe to say mozilla is by browser of choice and for real there is maybe 1 or 2 sites i've gone to in the last 2 years that wouldn't render correctlly.  Like other people said its not mozilla's fault, its the crappy webmasters fault for making crappy sites that suck!  Hell if they didnt take that time out to test their site in all the browsers then the site probably isn't worth going to.