...and in an even more terrible tribute to napster

[sporkme]

http://www.saveinternetradio.org

forget 3wk... music labels see a huge profit to be had in internet radio.  i heard this on all things considered on public radio today and almost ran off the road.

they wanna charge outragous rates for their music being played for free. this will create a music juno... but it does not stop there.

they also want to know WHO listeded to WHAT, WHERE and WHEN.   hell, on that kick... even HOW.  marketing research at its finest.

i am guessing gnutella is next.

DAMMIT!

[ May 03, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme ]

[Master of Reality]

it will be incrdibly hard to stop Gnutella or WinMX as they dont run through a central
server(s) like napster does.

[ May 03, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]

[gnomez]

I don't see how music could ever be "protected" from sharing.  Maybe I'm mistaken, but even if gnutella didn't exist, couldn't you do something like create a program that captured the data the sound card processed and converted it into a sound file?  I mean, if you can listen to it can't you capture it in some way can't you?

[Master of Reality]

quote:Originally posted by Garden GNOME:
I don't see how music could ever be "protected" from sharing.  Maybe I'm mistaken, but even if gnutella didn't exist, couldn't you do something like create a program that captured the data the sound card processed and converted it into a sound file?  I mean, if you can listen to it can't you capture it in some way can't you?

this is where microsofts new "take over music" scheme somes into play.

MS is going to embed into there OS a special type of windows media (.WMA) and have it specially encrypted all the way into the speakers. They are going to make special speakers that you HAVE TO use in order to listen to it, and they can make it so the music "expires" after any number of days and you cant listen to it anymore.

here for more info: http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000084

[ May 03, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]

[Zombie9920]

quote:Originally posted by Garden GNOME:
I don't see how music could ever be "protected" from sharing.  Maybe I'm mistaken, but even if gnutella didn't exist, couldn't you do something like create a program that captured the data the sound card processed and converted it into a sound file?  I mean, if you can listen to it can't you capture it in some way can't you?

You sure can and there are lots of Audio recording programs out there.

[gnomez]

quote:Originally posted by Master of Reality:


this is where microsofts new "take over music" scheme somes into play.

MS is going to embed into there OS a special type of windows media (.WMA) and have it specially encrypted all the way into the speakers. They are going to make special speakers that you HAVE TO use in order to listen to it, and they can make it so the music "expires" after any number of days and you cant listen to it anymore.

here for more info: http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000084

[ May 03, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]

That's totally sick.  And what does Microsoft have to gain from this?  I don't think they are a major record company.. are they being payed or something?

[psyjax]

A while back, his Gatesness wanted to buy up all of the great masterpices of art so he could develop a plasma screen that you hung in your house and licenced the paintings you wanted to display. You would have to pay a fee to have famous works of art streemed in to your living room so you could look at them.

Corbis, is Mr. Gate's foray in to the world of stock photography. Every time a magazine needs a little picture for an add or article, Gate's gets a cut.

So if gates controled music, he would be controlling the recording industry.

Do you remember the movie Sneakers? How at the end Ben Kingsly goes in to this speach about how money dosn't matter anymore, and information is what will determin who is rich and powerfull in the future. Well, that's exactly what's going on.

M$ crusades against open source for these very same reasons. They want to control how you get your information, where you get it, and why you get it. Because that way, they basically controll everything.

World domination? Maybe...

But more likely the domination of the Media.... close enugh to world domination I reckon.

MSN, WebTV, ComCast cabel, anyone?

[jtpenrod]

quote:That's totally sick. And what does Microsoft have to gain from this? I don't think they are a major record company.. are they being payed or something?

What they hope to gain is the destruction of third party media players. They give the record companies what they've been lusting after for years: uncopyable digital music, and in return, Macro$uck gets a completely proprietary digital protocol that can be played only on winblows. Or so they hope. Of course, the record companies would be well advised to run from this just as fast as they can. Otherwise Macro$uck will find some way to fuck them over too, just as they did to IBM, Apple, Stac Electronics, Caldera, etc. & ad infinitum. And secondly, it's not going to work anyway. So what if they encrypt right up to those "special" speakers? Once it leaves those speakers, I can easily record the music with a microphone, digitize it and create a wav or mp3 file from it. In the end, they accomplish nothing. Just another desperate attempt to keep Winblows alive.
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[Calum]

if you have the software now to make mp3s, and an OS that will allow the program to run, then who's to stop you continuing to use it? and even if you do dumbly allow yrself to be lumbered with an OS, player and speakers that control yr music listening habits for you, why can't you just get a soundcard that'll allow you to take a line out? Who's to stop you taping CDs? who can stop you listening to/ bootlegging the radio?
Music was being pirated before computers, and will be until there is no such thing as a permanent storage device for music.

[davebrock]

basically MS.....fuck em!
In the words of Terry Pratchett "MUSIC SHOULD BE FREE"
Ogg vorbis, say no more!

[Seeking000]

quote: basically MS.....fuck em!
In the words of Terry Pratchett "MUSIC SHOULD BE FREE"  

Ouch! I'll have to read this persons line of reasoning.. I can assure you however that if music were always free, we would not have the great collections of Bach, Beethoven, Liszt, Chopin  etc..

A person has to live you know!  If they can give the world something like this, give them some fucking food, an instrument and a place to stay at a minimum!  In a digital age, this becomes much more serious...  people can now compose compositions that a single human or multiple humans cannot play.  They can do this without even learning an instrument (which means that they have no 'road-show' to earn money from).  I see a point when the most brilliant composers will be the equivilent of the silent reclusive author writing novels... if they don't get money for the number of copies sold; what else does an author _have_?  Imagine Stephen King or Beethoven having to pull 40 hour minimum wage jobs to live.. and simply create art on their free-time for zero redeemable value to themselves?  These works would only be a luxury of those born wealthy; scarcely capable of the drive, selective pressure, and education/meditation of the art to create such works.  It's one thing to apeal to the lowest common denominator; but your quote suggests something far more abyssmal!

-Seeker000

[Calum]

while many great composers did make a living off it, many didn't. Same with great poets, playwrights, novelists and so on. Art only makes money in extreme circumstances.

Also, might i add for the sake of it, that i was arguing against someone controlling or monitoring your listening habits, not your spending habits.

[Seeking000]

quote: while many great composers did make a living off it, many didn't. Same with great poets, playwrights, novelists and so on. Art only makes money in extreme circumstances.

Agreed.  By 'art', do you mean paintings and such or just general?  If it is just general, I'd rebutt that last comment a bit by pointing out how much revenue 'Pink' is making from MTV.
It seems the greatest 'art' these days is social engineering projects, human determinism studies and the creation of assembly-line scenarios to produce wealth from a vacuum with advertising.
Not exactly the most admirable 'artform' IMO; as it dissolves the selective pressure for what constitutes art by defining it before the fact.

 

quote:Also, might i add for the sake of it, that i was arguing against someone controlling or monitoring your listening habits, not your spending habits.

Understood )  I was actually responding to someone elses post (unless I missed you using that quote in this thread too).  

On this general topic of the OP (original poster); I'm all for transparency.. absolute transparency of virtual representation of all sensory phenomenon.  Your virtual time as opposed to your real time... i.e. conjuring up a holographic projection of your live surroundings and conversations; and equally having the same able to be done to myself.  Another example of your virtual time is your 'official documentation'.  It goes without saying that everyone would have this access instead of a few.
Ultimately, I believe the goal 'we' strive for currently is absolute transparency to eradicate systems of logical corruptability.  Unfortunately, we live in a time where those who have cognitive dementia will succeed over those who do not, by the mere existence of systems to be corrupted through our non-transparency.
I don't care how 'smart' you supposedly have to be to be Bill Gates (for example); because I already know that many of the endevours he has undertaken do not parse as being equal to or more logical than passive or agressive suicide.

When people use nihilistic energy to destroy others instead of themselves; they are already the walking dead.. cognitive dinosaurs with no desire to answer our greatest questions of being, simply to exploit the self-explanitory loopholes that many choose not to.

-Seeking000