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Hector Headgear

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« on: 18 March 2002, 07:19 »
the DOS days were the glory days.  Bill Gates was still *trying* to take over the world, and he hadn't yet succeeded.  DOS was an operating system that was based on logical commands and direct access to files for manipulation.  Games were simple yet fun, and you could do just about anything with your computer you wanted to.  WHich is why I am building a DOS machine.  

Windows 95 was a push from DOS 6.2 (the best DOS).  Windows, for once, had become a stand-alone operating system, and that signaled the end of the great DOS era.  Idiots could use computers, and look where it has taken us;
--Internet porn
--Online books of how to kill, bomb, or destroy
--Idiots allowed access to that information
--Support for those who have no right to own/operate a computer.

When windows 95 was introduced, the entire Infotech industry was doomed.  Just because of a simple little program that replaced command.com.  

Then came 98, which further eliminated DOS.  And now..oh, dear lord, now...we have XP, basically AOL for an operating system.  Microsoft has officially died.  Logical procedures went out the window in favor of idiots double-clicking.

Yes, DOS was the days, and I hope you all don't hate those days, because they were the days when the computer was most useful.  Information was exchanged via BBS's, and the internet was limited to that.  But that was what made it great.  And again, I hope you all realize that DOS was the reason the computer ever made it out of steve jobbs's drug-trafficking garage.

The beauty of DOS has long drawn me to older computers, and, as such, I have stuck with windows 95 for years.  But even 95 takes too much away from the brilliance of DOS and Bill Gates's theft skills.

I encourage all savvy computer users to return to the command prompt--this is your call to arms.  DOS awaits...opportunity knocks...don't leave it waiting.
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« Reply #1 on: 18 March 2002, 07:54 »
you lucky bastard, i have found just the thing for you.

They call it..... "Linux"

it can be used from command prompt with ultimate access to anything you need or desire.

And as far as old BBS, ya gotta get yourself a Commodore 64 (or a 128) with a plugin modem, (fits right in the back of your keyboard).
I love my commodore 64, its too bad its currently "offline" due to a lose switch in the disk drive (needs some very careful souldering)
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« Reply #2 on: 18 March 2002, 07:58 »
While I admit DOS is pretty cool. M$ did steal that too.

However, I think your a bit arogant to think you can dictate who and who shouldent be able to use a computer. If I recal corectly there was alot of inter-garbage circualting on the BBS's as well.

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« Reply #3 on: 18 March 2002, 08:01 »
I don't know what drugs you are on, Hector, but you are obviously in desperate need of a good lashing.  Did you seriously like the days of DOS, having to spend hours setting up simple things like a modem, things that takes seconds to do in any modern OS these days, including Linux? Did you enjoy it how every program had to have its own separate set of drivers to work?
 
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Yes, DOS was the days, and I hope you all don't hate those days, because they were the days when the computer was most useful.

Your testes must be impaled on a spike.  You couldn't multitask worth a crap in DOS, and its prehistoric design would never allow such useful programs like Photoshop, Flash, Excel, AutoCAD, Maya, etc. to exist.  If you want to use a command line, use *NIX.  It is far more powerful and intuitive than DOS ever was, is a 32-bit envrionment, and gives you the freedom to switch to a complete text interface or (if you are feeling like an idiot) a GUI interface.  

You have no right to say who should use a computer, and your head is so far up your ass that I say you have no business on one.  Just because something is intuitive or easy to use does not mean it is for idiots.
You are nothing more than one of those retarded pissheads who go around saying "Real Men use DOS!!"  If you enjoy torturing yourself on a sissy command prompt then fine, go about your archaic foolishness and let all of us "idiots" actually use our computers.

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« Reply #4 on: 18 March 2002, 08:11 »
in fact, i believe that the commodore 64 (or 128) is far more useful than DOS.
Think about it:
    - No drivers needed
    - word processing and spreadsheet programs
    - plug in your "extra" hardware in you keyboard(easy)
    - literaly thousands of games for it (tho they are on disks)

Downsides:
     - slow, 30 min. to finish a huge company spreadsheet, today it takes a minute.
     - all programs on disk
    - lower quality gaming

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« Reply #5 on: 18 March 2002, 08:58 »
Well as far as the command line thing goes DOS was a pale imitation of Unix.  Get your self a copy of Linux, install KSH93 with vi as command line editor of choice and you are set.  DOS is a crappy 16bit OS with no TCP/IP stack....I mean why would you use that.
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« Reply #6 on: 18 March 2002, 21:19 »
Hey,

I have to agree with Hector to a degree. Dos was awesome.

When Windows 3.1 was a big thing a friend of mine and I decided to run a test. We chose 4 specific jobs (1. creating a directory and copying files over to it, 2. connecting to a bbs and downloading a file, 3. writing a letter and printing  it, 4. adding up a group of nubers and returning a total) and we both did them on the same 20mhz 386 w/1 meg of ram. I did everything in dos while he did it in windows 3.1. We wanted to see how windows compared to dos. Dos won. If I remember correctly it took me 12 minutes to do all these tasks separately in Dos. It took 14 or 15 minutes to do them in Windows 3.1 but he was doing everything at once. Today that test would no longer work because multi-tasking is much better now than it used to be.

IMHO Dos 5.0 was the best dos but all dos versions were great.  

However Hector you have no right to decide who may or may not use a computer. Today OS's are more user friendly true but that does not mean that people are idiots today. It just means things are getting easier.

 
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Did you seriously like the days of DOS, having to spend hours setting up simple things like a modem, things that takes seconds to do in any modern OS these days, including Linux? Did you enjoy it how every program had to have its own separate set of drivers to work?



WTF who ever heard of taking hours to set up a modem? It was very simple. Read the doc that came with the modem (5 mins), set the dip switches on the modem (1 min), install the modem (5 min), copy a driver to your hard disk (1 min), add a line or 2 to your config.sys and or autoexec.bat (2 min).  Yes that would take about 15 minutes but no way would it take hours. The same is true for a printer or whatever else you wanted to install. I suppose though for people who could not comprehend what they read or those who did not read the docs it could take longer but that was very rare. Most people have the common sense to read the docs.  

As for drivers for programs, most good programs had their own drivers included or used the dos drivers that were set up on the system. Word Perfect is a good example of this, with WP5.0 you could use the included drivers for your printer or you could have  WP search your environment and pick up your installed printer.

About the only real problem with drivers was video drivers at the time.  Most programs used video modes like MCGA. If you ever did any programming you would know it was easy.

mov al,13h
mov ah,0
int 10h

Then define the screen address as A000h and your in business on any vga compatible monitor. Make an array the size of the screen to point to the screen address load your images to the array and flip them to the screen. Nothing to it. Or you could go direct to the screen without using an array.

The one I show above is the very simple MCGA mode. 320X200 256 color resolution, single page. There was also ModeX 320X200 256 color 4 pages , ModeY 320X240 256 color 3 pages, etc.

So you did not have a highres 16,24 or 32 bit depth   graphics. But you could do things with graphics then that you can't imagine doing now like a 4 way fade to black and back to the image. Some truly awesome stuff. Hell you could make it appear you were doing a hundred way fade if you wanted just by what pages you were displaying at what part of the screen. Simple but fancy stuff that is impossible to do today.

All in all though Dos kicked ass.
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« Reply #7 on: 18 March 2002, 21:25 »
I used to run a two node BBS using PC-Board under DOS, multitasking with DesqView.  DesqView was pretty cool at the time. It was the second largest BBS in the state at the time. This was pre Win 3.0. I handled MetroLink and Fido news feeds, which was similar to news groups on the Internet today.  I remember ditching my C64 for a Tandy 1000 with DOS 3.2 and I was in heaven.    Of course this was shortly before I got turned on to UNIX and the Internet (which is nothing like it is today). DOS was good to me, it's when I started getting heavily into programming using Turbo Pascal and Borland C. But when I moved to UNIX I was like a kid in a candy store, and still am 12 years later.
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« Reply #8 on: 18 March 2002, 21:37 »
Hey,

 
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
I used to run a two node BBS using PC-Board under DOS, multitasking with DesqView.  DesqView was pretty cool at the time. It was the second largest BBS in the state at the time. This was pre Win 3.0. I handled MetroLink and Fido news feeds, which was similar to news groups on the Internet today.  I remember ditching my C64 for a Tandy 1000 with DOS 3.2 and I was in heaven.     Of course this was shortly before I got turned on to UNIX and the Internet (which is nothing like it is today). DOS was good to me, it's when I started getting heavily into programming using Turbo Pascal and Borland C. But when I moved to UNIX I was like a kid in a candy store, and still am 12 years later.


DesqView was nice. I still wonder why it never went anywhere.
I used to read\post to Fido all the time. Particularly the pascal feed.    
WOOOHOOO a Tandy 1000 I have not even thought about those in years. I never actually owned a Tandy but several friends had them. My first system was an 8088 w/640k of ram and a CGA monitor. Oh yeah and back then 1200bps on a modem was screaming.  
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« Reply #9 on: 18 March 2002, 10:21 »
Yeah, if I remember correctly the Tandy 1000TX (the model I had) had 640K of RAM (I believe the other 1000s had 512K. I recall it would run in 4 and 8 Mhz modes (8 was Turbo mode). And I think it was roughly a 286 processor, or was it an 8088? When I started my BBS I was running 1200 baud modems, then upped to 2400 and then upped to 9600 when they came out, then quit shortly after when I moved.  I had upgraded to the super large 80MB Seagate hard drive that just hit the market (after running two $500 20MB Tandy hard drives). And installed a Perstore controller board which boosted the capacity of the Seagate to about 150MB. This put me in second place in the state for largest disk capacity of a BBS.

Somewhere along the line the 386 machines came out and I built my own speed demon. It was "lightning fast" and I couldn't imagine computers ever needing to be more powerul than that. Of course Bill Gates blew that theory with the release of Windows 3.x. And on it went. It was amazing how fast programs could run when they weren't bloated with the extra fat.

And I found this link with a picture of the old 1000TX:
http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/reach/435/trs1000.htm

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« Reply #10 on: 18 March 2002, 13:46 »
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the DOS days were the glory days.  Bill Gates was still *trying* to take over the world, and he hadn't yet succeeded.  DOS was an operating system that was based on logical commands and direct access to files for manipulation.  Games were simple yet fun, and you could do just about anything with your computer you wanted to.  WHich is why I am building a DOS machine.

I think you are exaggerating.

DOS is a simplified version of UNIX (as far as the interface goes) with confusingly different commands et c.
DOS is much younger than UNIX, so maybe the UNIX days were the glory days.

btw M$ *was* always bad, just sometimes they weren't *as* bad. In the same way that after coming out of a rock concert, a usually noisy street is blissfully quiet, M$' past misdemeanours pale in comparison to their current de rigeur work ethic.

Folks, i can't see the part where he says who should and shouldn't use a computer, so i think you may have been a little harsh here...

that's my 1/50th of a dollar...

ps, mr headgear, you do know that you can set up yr linux shell so it can use dos commands don't you? (or so i gather anyway, never felt like doing it for some reason...)  :D

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« Reply #11 on: 18 March 2002, 20:37 »
Hey,

 
quote:
Originally posted by VoidMain:

Somewhere along the line the 386 machines came out and I built my own speed demon. It was "lightning fast" and I couldn't imagine computers ever needing to be more powerul than that.



LOL I remember feeling the same way when I got my  first 386. I simply could not imagine requiring anything more than that.  


 
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And I found this link with a picture of the old 1000TX:
http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/reach/435/trs1000.htm

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Nice Pics.  
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« Reply #12 on: 19 March 2002, 23:37 »
Well, when I was using DOS I was 8 years old, and it was very daunting trying to get the modem to work. To me it was confusing trying to find out my COM port and set the jumpers correctly and all that. I remember having a heinous time trying to set up a modem game in Descent. I also remember spending forever trying to connect to a bulletin board so I could download Commander Keen. Needless to say, the long distance bills exceeded the cost of the game.    
Today, a 3 year old could set up an internet connection in Red Hat 7.2 / Win XP

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« Reply #13 on: 20 March 2002, 00:56 »
when i was 6 i think i was using a C64..... before that i used a a vic20,i think i was 0-5.(i had an expansion card for that Vic20, it upgraded it...something like 8k?)

i think i have a pic of the V20 somewhere around here.
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« Reply #14 on: 20 March 2002, 02:39 »
You guys make me sick.  I was in high school when "Pong" came out. Spent hours bouncing the little white dot back and forth across the black & white TV screen.  

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