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« on: 11 September 2003, 02:27 »
Hey - I'm in the process of building my own Gaming PC and I was hoping to get some feedback from some Computer gosu's who knew their stuff:

CPU - p4 3.0 GHz w/ 800fsp
Motherboard - Intel i875
Video Card - 5900 Ultra [or Radeon 7900 (exact name?)]
Sound Card - Audigy 2
Monitor - 19" regular
Mouse - Mx500 (current one)
Keyboard - Internet (current one)
Hard Drive - WD Cavier 200 GB serial ata 10000 rpm
Memory - ddr 400 maybe 512
Speakers - Creative MW 650 6.1
CD/DVD - DVD RW+ 4x/2x
*Extras* - 400 watt PSU

I'm not even sure if I got half of these names correct because they're off the top of my head but if you can think of anything better (that isn't ridiculously expensive) please let me know.  Any suggestions, add ons, or ideas please post them so I can build a dream gaming PC. Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: 11 September 2003, 02:29 »
Uh, OK. That looks great, but what OS are you going to install on it?

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« Reply #2 on: 11 September 2003, 02:48 »
Well, from a glance, everything looks pretty much in order, but I do have a few questions and suggestions...

First, for the processor... I would recommend dropping that to a 2.8Ghz P4 with the 800Mhz FSB. If you're concerned about price, that will save you an easy $120 while barely lowering performance.

Second, there is no Radeon 7900. If you're looking for one of the higher end Radeons, you're probably thinking of the 9700 or it's sucessor, the 9800.

The last question I have is why a DVD+RW? Unless there's a specific reason you want a +RW drive only, I would strongly suggest going for a DVD-RW drive since it's more standardized and compatible or going with a DVD+/-RW/RAM drive for full compatibility with all of the competing standards, so no matter how the dust settles you won't be left with a dead standard.

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« Reply #3 on: 11 September 2003, 03:07 »
Thanks Vincent, that's especially what I needed to hear.  I was unsure about a few of my selections and that helps clear things up.  I think I want to go with the Radeon 9700 or 9800 (depending on price) for my Vid Card and I'll take your suggestion on the processor since it will help me save $.  Also, I am not exactly sure why I wanted a DVD+RW, but I guess I went wrong their and I'll stick to the DVD-RW.

Thanks to you too Laukev7: Defender of Canada -- BTW, I was planning on installing Windows XP.  

Also, one final note - where should I order this stuff from?  I am definetly staying away from Compaq from personal experience, so do you think Dell would be a good idea or what?  I'm a bit illeterate on where to purchase the products from for the cheapest prices.
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« Reply #4 on: 11 September 2003, 03:16 »
If your gonna install a windowz, might I suggest win2k profesional. It's much nicer than XP, leaner, and faster. It also seems more stable.
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« Reply #5 on: 11 September 2003, 03:43 »
If you're going to install only a Windows I suggest you take "phuck Microsoft" out of your sig because you don't have the balls to stick to your principles.
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« Reply #6 on: 11 September 2003, 03:47 »
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If your gonna install a windowz, might I suggest win2k profesional. It's much nicer than XP, leaner, and faster. It also seems more stable.


Win2k is generally more stable, but if you're going to be playing a wide selection of games (both new and older), I would recommend XP simply for the more forgiving Win9x compatibility layer.

Another option would be to run WineX under Linux, but performance would take a pretty heavy hit and as with all forms of emulation, 100% compatibility is far from guarenteed.

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« Reply #7 on: 11 September 2003, 04:19 »
Wine is not an emulator, and for open gl it works pretty damn fast.
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« Reply #8 on: 11 September 2003, 04:38 »
I prefer the AMD processors. And i would suggest (this is if you really need windows.. which you may) install Mandrake Gaming Edition alongside whatever windows those other people suggest (i've almost forgotten the versions of windows).
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« Reply #9 on: 11 September 2003, 05:24 »
Thanks for all the replies.  I think I have a good idea of what I want but if anyone still has any ideas or upgrades to what I currently have, just let me know.  Thanks again.
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« Reply #10 on: 11 September 2003, 07:31 »
I don't think you'll need that huge of a hard drive though
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« Reply #11 on: 11 September 2003, 21:51 »
Instead of the i875 you should get an i865PE w/PAT enabled board like the Asus P4P800 Deluxe. It is every bit as fast as an i875 board at a much lower cost.

Oh, and for the people suggesting that you install Win2K. That is fine and dandy and all....Win2k doesn't suppor Hyperthreading technology(virtual 2nd CPU). Windows XP will fly on that thing. I know because I have something similar to what you are getting ready to build. The only difference is I have a 2.4c ghz...but I have that puppy overclocked to 3.2ghz as we speak. When you get such a fast rig the last thing you have to worry about is the performance of your OS because when your machine is so fast it really doesn't matter(it won't be sluggish no matter what you throw on there). Windows XP will actually be faster and more efficient on that rig than Win2K simply because of the hyperthreading support(that virtual 2nd CPU really decreases the load on your main CPU no matter what you are running...wether it be a game, an encoding app, etc.).

The Asus P4P800 Deluxe is a great board. Quite frankly, I think you would be better off getting a 2.4c and overclocking it instead of paying the higher price for the 2.8 or 3ghz. They all use the same core with the same stepping and they are all capable of [email protected]+.

Not only do I have my CPU overclocked that high but my PCI buses, AGP bus and my Ram are still running in spec(thanks to the fact that it allows you to overclock only the components you choose). It never gets hotter than 45c under full load(for several hours). It is very stable and it is really fast. These are benchies of when I had it running @ 3.12ghz.

Anyways, look at this shit.








As you can see, there is virtually no difference in performance between the i865PE w/PAT enabled and the i875. PAT is not supposed to be enabled on the i865 because if it was on all i865 boards there would be no market for the i875 because that is the only difference between the i875 and i865. The nice folks at Asus were kind enough to mod thier BIOS to allow PAT on thier i865 boards making them virtually identicle to the i875 boards.                

Also, if you don't notice....that 2.4c ghz P4 is easily overclockable to contend with the highest end P4. The difference is the 2.4c is only $170 compared to that 3.2c ghz that it is contending with is $600+. Not bad, eh?
 



As you can see, the CPU is the only thing overclocked. The rest of the buses and stuff are running in spec. The CPU can handle the overclock because the D1 stepping core of the P4c is designed to run at 3ghz+. They only reduce the multiplier in the 2.4c so they can sell it as a budget chip......but it is no different than the high end P4c's meaning that it is designed to where it can run at such high speeds with no error, no added heat, no stability costs, etc. It runs perfectly normal@ such a high speed. That is the reason why when you go to sites like http://www.newegg.com the P4 2.4c Ghz is thier top selling CPU. Most overclockers know what the 2.4 can really do.


You should really go the 2.4c+i865PE route. You will save hundreds of $$$ for the same performance and reliability. Lets not forget to mention that it creams anything that AMD has to offer too.            

(EDIT)I see you are wanting this to be your dream gaming machine. Let me just say...with my rig, I have a GeForce FX 5900 Ultra in it and I couldn't be happier with my gaming performance. I even stuck a GeForce 4 Ti4200 in it for shits and giggles and it ran games pretty well on that not top of the line video card(in 1024x768 -1280x1024 depending on the game in high detail) because the system is so fast. If you pair your system up with a GeForce FX 5900/5900 Ultra or a Radeon 9700 Pro/Radeon 9800 Pro you are pretty much garanteed that you will not need an upgrade for a long time.

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« Reply #12 on: 11 September 2003, 10:20 »
As a matter of fact, take a look at this thread. This guy(Fignewton) took my advice and he is very satisfied. He hasn't even overclocked his 2.4c yet. ;P Most importantly look at reply #48 on the 4th page of the thread. That is a comment on his gaming performance. ;P


http://www.forumplanet.com/planethardware/topic.asp?fid=3709&tid=1141938&p=1

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« Reply #13 on: 11 September 2003, 10:52 »
the only thing i can add is synergy and cooling.
you want to matchup fsb speeds with ram speed and such. then 1+1=11 instead of 2. also make sure you account for cooling needs. especially if you overclock. pentiums are great for cooling needs but also think about ram and video. it all works better the cooler it gets.
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« Reply #14 on: 11 September 2003, 11:51 »
quote:
Originally posted by avello500:
the only thing i can add is synergy and cooling.
you want to matchup fsb speeds with ram speed and such. then 1+1=11 instead of 2. also make sure you account for cooling needs. especially if you overclock. pentiums are great for cooling needs but also think about ram and video. it all works better the cooler it gets.



The Ram and video card don't run any hotter on an i865 or i875 chipset when you overclock if you keep the Ram and PCI/AGP busses in spec. They are all still running the way they are supposed to be running.

The CPU doesn't really get any hotter(maybe  1 or 2 degrees Celcius..thats it) when you overclock a P4c due to the fact that the core of the P4c is designed to run at those 3ghz+ speeds. a 2.4c, 2.8c, 3.0c and 3.2c are all essentially the same. The only difference between them is the multiplier and the marking on the CPU. Internally they are all the same CPU with the same speed capabilities. If you take a 2.4c, 2.8c, 3.0c or a 3.2c past 3.4ghz that is when you start seeing some major increases in temps and the loss of stability. The D1 stepping core is not designed for faster than 3.4ghz.(the upcoming Prescott will be designed to run faster than 3.4ghz though).

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