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« on: 11 December 2002, 10:39 »
Star Trek Nemesis opens this weekend in the US (not sure about elsewhere) and in Star Trek: the Magazine, Patrick Stewart has urged everyone to go see the movie its opening weekend to show the world how much people love Star Trek. This is our big chance to end the stupid stereotypes about Star Trek and about the people who enjoy it. Spread the message, everyone!

(Paramount really ought to pay me for this)

[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Macman: Mac Trekker / BoB ]


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« Reply #1 on: 11 December 2002, 12:26 »
I will be at ArcLight in Hollywood for the public opening of this movie, Friday. I had a chance to go down there for the premier, but I had to go to night class. I heard it was quite wild down there....everyone was all dressed up like Klingons, Romulans, Borg...good times!
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« Reply #2 on: 11 December 2002, 12:32 »
OK... I'm gonna see it on Friday, but not because someone told me to - Nemesis is going to be the LAST 24th century material produced. Period. Rick Berman ruined the franchise. I'd like to see Berman fired and someone else brought in who KNOWS how to direct the storyline for a franchise as big as this... c'mon, who the hell approved Admiral Janeway? she's a friggin WAR CRIMINAL!!! Don't get me wrong, Trek's mostly all good stuff, hell, my username is taken from a Voyager episode, but I honestly believe this movie is going to suck and there wont be any more... and im sorry to see it go.
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« Reply #3 on: 11 December 2002, 14:20 »
Okay, Voyager had its flaws, but think about this: the second or third season of TNG is when Berman took over after Roddenberry's death. That's when TNG started to actually get good. He changed Star Trek completely from the original series and first few seasons of TNG. Maybe some people like the old Star Trek style better (terrible acting, lousy graphics), but I grew up with the new ST and that's personally what I love. If Roddenberry had lived another ten years Star Trek would be completely different and I may not even be a fan right now.

I've heard that most people who've seen the movie so far really liked it and I've heard it compared with First Contact. Even though Insurrection was a total piece of shit I think this could be a really good movie. I could be wrong of course...

You say Janeway's a war criminal? How do you figure?

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« Reply #4 on: 11 December 2002, 16:55 »
quote:
 Even though Insurrection was a total piece of shit I think this could be a really good movie.


It is going to be pretty hard to make a more horrible movie than Insurrection. That movie sucked the shit out of a dead man's rotting asshole.

Voyager did have its moments. You can't tell me that  those two episodes when Species 8472 came into the scope that those weren't two of the best Star Trek episodes ever made.  In fact, those two episodes were the reason I started watching Voyager. Sure, there were some deep voids between episodes, but some were entertaining.

Take a look at DS9.  With the exception of like three episodes during the first four seasons, that show was a cure for insomnia.  The acting was dull, the plots were boring...it sucked. Once season five came around and the war between the Federation and the Dominion started shaping up, that is when it got real good.

I don't know how far you can really take the TNG storyline.  Roddenberry had plenty of time between Star Trek I and Khan...where was the consistency to that?  II, III, and IV ran together, but what about V, and VI (V sucked as well.....if you think Berman is a fuck up, just pray that they don't let Shatner direct another movie LOL.)

To be quite honest, I hope this is the last TNG film. There really isn't much else you can do with the storyline.  The Borg are finished, TNG and 8472 don't mix..what else would they possibly come up with?  If this film is half as good as First Contact, they should just quit while they are ahead.
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« Reply #5 on: 11 December 2002, 21:10 »
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Originally posted by LorKorub / BOB:
I heard it was quite wild down there....everyone was all dressed up like Klingons, Romulans, Borg...good times!


That'll help end those bastard sterotypes.

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« Reply #6 on: 11 December 2002, 22:32 »
janeway violated the temporal prime directive. Archer is gonna show up from the past and shoot her with a pistol.
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« Reply #7 on: 11 December 2002, 23:28 »
Ok... for the sake of argument, lets catalog Janeway's offenses:
1: Handing out Federation tech to the Hirogen (holodeck technology) - Prime directive? what prime directive?
2: Assisting the Borg in defeating an enemy (8472) that was capable of destroying the Borg - and Starfleet's general orders mean what again?
3: Not infecting Seven of Nine with the unresolvable shape virus and sending her back to the Collective: Starfleet general orders again.. although Picard had an opportunity to do this (Hugh) and didnt, its still No Fuckin Excuse!
4: Temporal prime directive violation, Earth 1996: (Future's End) Failure to remove all 29th century technology from Henry Starling's possession and removing Chronowerx from power. Keep in mind Chronowerx was never supposed to have existed, and did only because 29th century technology was stolen by a 20th century thief... whose character was based on Billy himself and his company on Microsoft... need i say more?
5: Temporal prime directive violation, Stardate 54985 (Endgame)... According to Starfleet regulations, Janeway should simply have locked her future self in the brig, destroyed her shuttle, and went on along her merry way. The fact that NOT doing so enabled her to destroy a Borg transwarp network hub was probably the ONLY reason she wasnt cashiered out of Starfleet upon return...
edit 6: Losing her ship TWICE... to the Kazon (Basics) and later to the Hirogen (The Killing Game). Prime Directive, equipment disposition, simple incompetence... not to mention the change to the balance of power in the Delta Quadrant... christ, Janeway cant keep ONE ship under her command, who knows just how spectacularly she'll fuck up the whole fleet????

The collective penalty for all these offenses: promotion to admiral?????? Doesnt make a whole hell of a lot of sense, does it?

[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: The Rev. Annorax ]

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« Reply #8 on: 12 December 2002, 01:24 »
Janeway made some critical errors and broke Federation directives many times, but as they pointed out many times in the series, they had to change the rules to survive in the Delta Quadrant. I don't know if that's a very good excuse.

Janeway also violated the temporal prime directive by holding on to the Doc's mobile emitter. And the ship was taken another time (third season I think) by those harmless-looking aliens that acted like they didn't know why they were replacing the crew.

Let's get this straight: Janeway goes to the Delta Quadrant and breaks rules for seven years and gets a promotion to admiral when she gets back. Meanwhile, Picard is a war hero before he's even captain, gets command of the Star Gazer for a while, then is transferred to the flagship of the Federation, continually saves the Federation's ass for fifteen years, yet he is still a Captain! And I recall Riker getting promotion offers the second season of TNG. Why is he still a commander fifteen years later??!!

Instead of the unsolvable shape puzzle,
this is what they should have sent to the Borg.

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« Reply #9 on: 12 December 2002, 01:33 »
Picard and Riker stayed in their positions for so long because they wanted to - refusing promotions and the like... but I cant see one thing... these are all capable, honorable officers... why the hell werent they all promoted during the Dominion War when captains WERE needed? One would think Riker and Data would have made captain easily... and promotions during war i believe CANT be turned down...
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« Reply #10 on: 12 December 2002, 02:56 »
In Sweden Star Trek is mostly ignored by the "high and mighty". There are of course lots of fans here but to date only one movie has had a premiere here, "Star Trek - the motion picture".
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« Reply #11 on: 12 December 2002, 03:35 »
quote:
Originally posted by The Rev. Annorax:
OK... I'm gonna see it on Friday, but not because someone told me to - Nemesis is going to be the LAST 24th century material produced. Period. Rick Berman ruined the franchise. I'd like to see Berman fired and someone else brought in who KNOWS how to direct the storyline for a franchise as big as this... c'mon, who the hell approved Admiral Janeway? she's a friggin WAR CRIMINAL!!! Don't get me wrong, Trek's mostly all good stuff, hell, my username is taken from a Voyager episode, but I honestly believe this movie is going to suck and there wont be any more... and im sorry to see it go.


Voyager was one of the better Star Treks IMHO. Too bad it's gone...
Nobody mentioned the small detail that Janeway did wipe out the Borg you know...

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« Reply #12 on: 12 December 2002, 06:49 »
I DID mention it, dipsmack.

 
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Originally posted by The Rev. Annorax:

5: Temporal prime directive violation, Stardate 54985 (Endgame)... According to Starfleet regulations, Janeway should simply have locked her future self in the brig, destroyed her shuttle, and went on along her merry way. The fact that NOT doing so enabled her to destroy a Borg transwarp network hub was probably the ONLY reason she wasnt cashiered out of Starfleet upon return...


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« Reply #13 on: 12 December 2002, 07:54 »
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Originally posted by The Rev. Annorax:
I DID mention it, dipsmack.


Well excuse me for not reading every bit of your poorly spaced description.

LOL...Just Kidding   ;)

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« Reply #14 on: 12 December 2002, 21:08 »
sorry, guys. Voyager was cheese, and Enterprise is warmed-over cheese.

Deep Space Nine was badass because they had the best actors of any of the new series, they had the best scripts, the best everything. Oh... and they had a coherent story. DS9 blew everything else away. TOS is a close second, and TNG is right after that.

Enterprise and Voyager both had similar things going for them... great actors, great FX, great story concepts. But the writing in each is SO DAMNED BAD that it hurts. Ent has had a few really badass shows, like "The Andorian Incident". It was just TOS with different actors. They need more of that, and less of the soap opera and time travel bullshit. Just stick to "action packed fistfights and shootouts" guys. Archer is too dorky to be the heroic type. Let Reed bomb stuff, Trip hotwire it, and Mayweather fly it. They just need to turn Enterprise into TOS. Have more humorous banter, and less of the deep shit.

Get Rick Berman and Brannon Braga out of there and they'll have something going for 'em.

I've always thought that George Lucas should buy Trek. It might change, but I think it'd rule!
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