A message to Trekkies, Trekkers, and Trekists

[Pissed_Macman]

I see your point, but to a lot of people action isn't just what star trek is about. Back before it had good graphics it was the story concepts that made it good. In my opinion they kept the good stories and added the graphics, which is why I like it. Star Trek is like a really buff guy (the graphics) who is also a genius (the thoughtful story lines).

Voyager is my least-favorite of all of them. The only seasons that are worth watching are the fourth and fifth. After that they ran out of ideas and made all the episodes about the Doc and 7of9.

TOS shouldn't be compared with the rest. Quite enjoyable if you have the right mindset.

DS9: an excellent series, but only if you've seen every episode. Its story-arc made it very good, but not a very good stand-alone series.

And finally Enterprise. I've been impressed with it so far. No Trek was that good its first season. However, it doesn't really evoke the same feeling as the other new series. I don't find that I really care about the characters as much. Maybe it will grow on me.

But TNG is by far my favorite. I watched the first episode when i was a toddler (ok, I sort of gave away my age there...) and watched the thing all the way to the end. Back then in the early 90's the graphics were believable, but they couldn't be depended on, which is why the stories were so good as well. Definitely a well-balanced series. That's probably why I'm so excited about Nemesis.

Well, enough of my ranting.

[ December 12, 2002: Message edited by: Macman: Mac Trekker / BoB ]

[Calum]

re lucas in trek, it would suck if that hoary old self important money spender got his hands on it.

[xyle_one]

george lucas is one of THE WORST directors/writers in the history of film. the only good thing he has done (since star wars episodes 4-6) is ILM.. these new star wars movies are more than crap. look at the fucking tired ass love scene in episode 2, i mean, he used every single "love scene" cliche in the book. the dialog was broing and rusty, the acting sucked more ass than that ass sucker george lucas. the only thing those movies had was special effects, and that doesnt take me very far (even though i am currently studying animation and effects). his directing & writing style consists of old, beat up,  used dialog and scenes that were cheesy when the original driector used them. fuck george lucas, unless of course, i can get a job at Industrial Light & Magic...    (just joking)
as for star trek, i used to be a huge fan, but the newer series suck. ill go watch the movie tomorrow, and i will probably like it, i just hope that it is the last. i do not want to see a movie about ds9 or voyager. that would be pure crap.. these new shows lack an innocence that the old series had, even tng had it.
anyways. i hate george lucas. cheese....

[pkd_lives]

Lucas already did the Star Trek like thing ... Battlestar Galactica... which lets be honest here left Star Trek looking stale - not that I can think of one episode that offered me anything original in either series. And I really beg to differ here but nothing could make Star Trek suck more than it does now. Except bringing Shatner back again.

TOS was okay except for Shatner. But it was backwards by the literary standards already achieved in SF at that time. The more stuff you read and the further back you go the more you realise that Trek lacks all those attributes you accredited it with, like originality, and good ideas and forsight and high dreams - take it from an Ex. fan Star Trek should have died with Roddenbury, it's become Disneyfied calptrap without a pair of balls to call it's own.

After giving up on Shatners' atrocious acting in the early films I decided to give First Contact a shot and that was that. If that is Star Treks idea of good then I really don't think I can take bad. No I can't see any reason to go and see Nemesis, it will be raved about by fans and they will all go home and amongst themselves they will slag it off, the way every Trek fan I know has done after every film they have made.

[Annorax]

One original thing?? How about Far Beyond The Stars (DS9)? When was the last time a sci-fi show actually addressed racism and equality in a relevant manner? I dont see anyone using Battlestar Galactica in anything resembling a commentary on reality, either current or past... but I gave copies of Far Beyond the Stars to my US History professor, told him to just watch it and don't read anything into it because it's Star Trek... and now he uses it in class...

[Pissed_Macman]

Lucas did not do Battlestar Galactica! Don't insult him! That was Glan A. Larson, a real dumbass who tried to capitalize off of Star Wars' success. Throughout most of BSG's run, Larson and Lucas spent a lot of time in court.

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quote: george lucas is one of THE WORST directors/writers in the history of film. the only good thing he has done (since star wars episodes 4-6) is ILM.

And don't forget that George started Pixar too, which he sold to Steve Jobs, and that's why they have those cool new bouncing iMac commercials.

[ December 13, 2002: Message edited by: Macman: Mac Trekker / BoB ]

[Calum]

quote:Originally posted by Macman: Mac Trekker / BoB:
Lucas did not do Battlestar Galactica! Don't insult him!

Lucas is a poopy head! Lucas is a poopy head!  

[Pissed_Macman]

Star Trek Nemesis has now been open for 3 hours and 12 minutes. Whats taking you guys so long?!

[LorKorub]

quote: How about Far Beyond The Stars (DS9)? When was the last time a sci-fi show actually addressed racism and equality in a relevant manner  

Actually, Star Trek TOS was the first sci-fi show -- actually primetime television show, regardless of genre -- that addressed the racism issue in the United States.  That episode with the half-black half-white guys made a subtle referrence to the racial situation of the 1960s. We actually studied that episode in Sociology at UNLV, and had to write a report on it.

Star Trek TOS was also the first primetime television show to feature a racially integrated cast. Nichelle Nichols was the first black woman to ever star in a primetime show, and Nimoy and Shatner were the first two Jewish Americans to ever be given a leading star role. It was also the first to feature a Japanese American (George Takei) in a staring role on a primetime television series.  It was because of these reasons that many  names were attracted to the series, and felt the urge to keep it alive.  Guys like Levar Burton (Roots), and Avery Brooks (American History X) are two of the more spoken actors on this subject...especially around these parts (Hollywood.) Personally, I think what Brooks did on some of the better episodes of DS9 was remarkable (once the producers and directors let him improvise.)  

And about the "that'll end the stereotypes about Star Trek fans" comment. Dude...this is just Hollywood!  People do that kind of shit here regardless of what movie is playing.  I've seen about 150 Spidermen when that movie was released, and when Star Wars came out, walking into Goldfingers bar after the show was literally just like walking into that bar at Mos Eisley Spaceport.  I think that stuff is what adds to the fun of these movies, and says something about just how powerful they are.  You didn't go to those places and hear a bunch of women talking with southern accents after Steel Magnolias...and that is because movies like that are all a dime a dozen, and they all suck.

[Pissed_Macman]

Who's seen the movie? What did you think about it?

I just saw it last night and really thought it was good. The beginning was a little slow, but it definitely picked up. It had a lot of the same feel as First Contact. The ending was great. I won't give it away though.

I haven't heard the numbers yet, but I was a little disappointed to see that there weren't too many people in the theater. Who knows, though, maybe everyone went to the early show.

 

quote:Originally posted by LorKorub / BOB:
And about the "that'll end the stereotypes about Star Trek fans" comment. Dude...this is just Hollywood!  People do that kind of shit here regardless of what movie is playing.  I've seen about 150 Spidermen when that movie was released, and when Star Wars came out, walking into Goldfingers bar after the show was literally just like walking into that bar at Mos Eisley Spaceport.  I think that stuff is what adds to the fun of these movies, and says something about just how powerful they are.  You didn't go to those places and hear a bunch of women talking with southern accents after Steel Magnolias...and that is because movies like that are all a dime a dozen, and they all suck.

I'm just tired of mentioning to someone that I was watching Star Trek and having them say something stupid like, "Haha! Did Scotty get beamed up?" I consider Star Trek to be high-quality with its great graphics and intelligent writing (not all of it though) and if the first weekend's profits catch people's attention I don't think I would get so much crap about being a fan. I get enough of that just being a Mac user. That's all.

[LorKorub]

I wasn't trying to be a dick.  Just letting everyone know how much fun shows are in Hollywood.

Anyways, I saw the movie on Friday.  It was better than Generations, better than Insurrection (big suprise), but I still think First Contact was better.  

*************SPOILER ALERT!!!!!*****************

I won't try to spoil it, but during the movie's first hour, a very special quest makes his/her appearence on an encrypted sub-space message. Some people here are going to be very happy about it...

The ending was a huge shock when you know who dies...

Other than that, it was alright.  The battle scenes were really cool.

[Pissed_Macman]

I heard that Wesley was going to be at the wedding at the beginning, but I didn't spot him. They should have given him a head shot or a speaking part or something. Did anyone see him?

[Kintaro]

I like star trek, but porno is better.

[Annorax]

Trek appeals to the brain, porn appeals to the dick... i dont think they can even be compared!!!

[Calum]

i'm going to have to stop reading this thread, nemesis isn't out till the 4th of january here. and i always wait about a week to avoid the rush... (i bet there will be no klingon suits in the freezing clapham january!