How much is 87 billion dollars?

[Laukev7]

http://www.crunchweb.net/87billion/

The irony is that he could solve the problems in Iraq just by giving $3,000 to all Iraqis without spending a penny more!

[Pissed_Macman]

lol...

[Zombie9920]

Gawd damn that is a huge stack of money. That is bigger than some business buildings.

Of course those stacks are all $1 bills. The stacks would be signifigantly smaller if they were $5, $10, $20, $50, $100 or $1,000 bills.

[mushrooomprince]

if we would use that money to convert to a different fuel besides gasoline we would just cut off the middle easts money supply.  Which would cut down on terrorist funding.

I like Ronald Reagans idea of " We don't deal with terrorists" better

now, I do believe that we had to do something to Iraq to let the world know that if you attack us with terrorism we will drop bombs on your soil.


but this is getting old

[Stilly]

wow thats big

I wonder how big it would be in nickels...

[jasonlane]

quote:Originally posted by mushrooomprince:
if we would use that money to convert to a different fuel besides gasoline we would just cut off the middle easts money supply.  Which would cut down on terrorist funding.

I like Ronald Reagans idea of " We don't deal with terrorists" better

now, I do believe that we had to do something to Iraq to let the world know that if you attack us with terrorism we will drop bombs on your soil.


but this is getting old

Yes, all well and good but it wasn't Iraq or Saddam that attacked the US. Now he want's to spend that much money to get himself out of jam. It's common man in the street that has to pay for fuckwit politicians like this, Bush, Blair, Blah, blah. They all make me sick.

Imagine what could be done with that money, as you've already said research into alternate fuels etc... That would be far more productive in the long run than destroying countries by pounding them with ordnance, just to prove a point. Anyway it's nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with oil and control.

Here's another criminal, admittedly this one doesn't look like a monkey. Don't be fooled though.



Another question why is petrol (gas) so cheap in the States? $1.69 according that (really cool) site. Here in the UK we pay on average

[mushrooomprince]

quote: Anyway it's nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with oil and control.

You've been living in the UK for WAY too long.  I think what bush has done is acknowledged that all these terrorist attacks are just a very cowardly country's ways of attacking the U.S.  And so YES  this is a war,  and wars are very expensive.  


But the way these terrorists fight make it very difficult for the U.S. to defeat them in anyway. You  can't just take control of Iraq and it will all go away.  Its much more complicated than that.


Anyways,  I wish you Europeans would just keep your opinions to yourselves because you really have no idea what your talking about.  All you know is that the U.S could make your gas prices higher, as if they weren't already sky high.


Its a very selfish opinion when you think about it.  Your not really concerned about anyones best interest except those people in Iraq. Which most happen to be very anti american for religous reasons.  Did your parents teach you to hate americans or was it the media ?

[Laukev7]

quote:Originally posted by mushrooomprince:


You've been living in the UK for WAY too long.  I think what bush has done is acknowledged that all these terrorist attacks are just a very cowardly country's ways of attacking the U.S.  And so YES  this is a war,  and wars are very expensive.  


But the way these terrorists fight make it very difficult for the U.S. to defeat them in anyway. You  can't just take control of Iraq and it will all go away.  Its much more complicated than that.


Anyways,  I wish you Europeans would just keep your opinions to yourselves because you really have no idea what your talking about.  All you know is that the U.S could make your gas prices higher, as if they weren't already sky high.


Its a very selfish opinion when you think about it.  Your not really concerned about anyones best interest except those people in Iraq. Which most happen to be very anti american for religous reasons.  Did your parents teach you to hate americans or was it the media ?

Actually, the very fact that he does not live in the United States probably makes him less ignorant about your country than you are. Zardoz and I, unlike you, are not as exposed to American propaganda as you are.

Firstly, the CIA has found (and has said from the beginning) that there was no link between 9/11 and Saddam Hussein. Yet Bush has been using this as an excuse to make your people go to a pointless war, only to officially deny that he had said that.

Secondly, as you are hopefully aware by now, none of the stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction have ever been found in Iraq, even after six months of occupation. There was no proof that Iraq had any weapons, yet Bush invaded anyway, despite the protests of the UN and the rest of the world. Very strange, also, that a few months before 9/11 Condelezza Rice (or another of Bush's cronies) had said that Saddam Hussein was not a threat to America.

And also... Oh, the heck with it. Just check out this website. Made by Americans.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

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[jasonlane]

quote:Originally posted by mushrooomprince:


You've been living in the UK for WAY too long.  I think what bush has done is acknowledged that all these terrorist attacks are just a very cowardly country's ways of attacking the U.S.  And so YES  this is a war,  and wars are very expensive.

No it hasn't nothings been proved. in fact all that has been proved is the dubious means by which both Bush and Blair lead us into this farce .  

     

quote:
But the way these terrorists fight make it very difficult for the U.S. to defeat them in anyway. You  can't just take control of Iraq and it will all go away.  Its much more complicated than that.

Well they certainly don't play by the rules            

     

quote:
Anyways,  I wish you Europeans would just keep your opinions to yourselves because you really have no idea what your talking about.  All you know is that the U.S could make your gas prices higher, as if they weren't already sky high.

No I won't. I have as much right as you do to voice my opinions, or has that right been abolished? As for not knowing what we / I am on about. What you seem to forget is that here in the UK we have had a bit more experience with terrorism than you. In fact I missed a bomb planted by the IRA in Victoria station by 2 minuets. So don't talk to me about having no idea. OK. We've had decades of it. Any act of terror is cowardly.

Make gas prices higher? No, that's not what I asked was it. I questioned why gas prices were so low in the States. Although everything seems to be expensive here, rip-off Britain they call it.

   

quote:
Its a very selfish opinion when you think about it.  Your not really concerned about anyone's best interest except those people in Iraq. Which most happen to be very anti American for religous reasons.  Did your parents teach you to hate americans or was it the media ?

Did you read anything I wrote? No I'm certainly not anti-American, in fact I'm not anti any one nation, creed or religion. Why did you instantly assume I was being anti-American. I certainly believe that the way your government has behaved is a disgrace. I also happen to think the same about the British government, so no I'm not singling out anyone for special attention. Just because your or my goverment says it's "so", doesn't make it true or right. My point was to say that governments, politics, politicians have not changed. Both British and American (and not only just these two) policy has created resentment and ultimately terrorist. We can't solve the problem by inflicting more terror, it's plain stupidity to think we can bomb people into peace. It a waste of money and lives, the other point I was trying to get across.

P.S: I also think you'll find that most Iraqis are anti American not because of religious reasons (even Islam teaches killing is wrong) but that you're killing them and generally shitting on them from a great height. That sort of behaviour generally makes you more enemies, not less.

[ October 12, 2003: Message edited by: Zardoz ]

[mushrooomprince]

quote: Why did you instantly assume I was being anti-American.

Because you live in the UK      

 

quote:   Actually, the very fact that he does not live in the United States probably makes him less ignorant about your country than you are. Zardoz and I, unlike you, are not as exposed to American propaganda as you are.

Thats actually pretty funny since I'm to busy on the computer to be exposed to american propaganda on the TV, radio, text or what ever.  I'm not like you. I don't listen to the news on the "american" tv at all.  So to say that I have been exposed to american propaganda is also just assuming things.


Now i will admit i didn't read all of your post.  But thats only because Im a fat, lazy, stupid american

Usually the reason i don't ever talk about the war right now is because people who have opinions about it have made up their minds and don't plan on changing them any time soon.  

     

[ October 12, 2003: Message edited by: mushrooomprince ]


http://www.oregonlive.com/commentary/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/editorial/1065787726239090.xml

[ October 12, 2003: Message edited by: mushrooomprince ]

[Laukev7]

quote: Because you live in the UK

That's a rather silly argument, considering that the UK are America's allies in the war against 'terrorism' (or at least Tony Bliar is).

 

quote: Thats actually pretty funny since I'm to busy on the computer to be exposed to american propaganda on the TV, radio, text or what ever.

You're still exposed to the opinions of people influenced by American propaganda, though.

 

quote: I don't listen to the news on the "american" tv at all.

Neither do I. I rarely watch TV at all. I prefer to get my news from less biased websites.

[ October 12, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]

[mushrooomprince]

quote: or at least Tony Bliar is

but hes the only one !  i've never met another person from the UK  that wasn't anti- this whole war on terrorism.

[Laukev7]

quote: http://www.oregonlive.com/commentary/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/editorial/1065787726239090.xml

I have not seen much evidence supporting any allegations in this article. On the other hand, there is overwhelming evidence that Bush has lied to start a war.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34930

If your article is true, then why are the US accusing Syria of harbouring the weapons? Or unless it's Iran?

And take a look at this:

http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&issue=soj0309&article=030911

[cahult]

I like what Jay Leno said right after the invasion started. "We call it Operation Iraqi Freedom. They originally wanted to call it Operation Iraqi Liberation, but that spells OIL!"

[jasonlane]

quote:Originally posted by mushrooomprince:



but hes the only one !  i've never met another person from the UK  that wasn't anti- this whole war on terrorism.

So what does that tell you?

Yes the majority of people here, when shown the evidence think the whole deal is wrong. Also remember that when the "War" first started and there was little "evidence" most of the British public were for the war. Don't think for a minute were anti-American. We like most don't like injustice is all, I think the big difference here is how our media has covered this, I certainly think more truths have come to light here, or at least we tend to be a bit more informed. Given that chance I think the American public would have reacted in the same way.


 

quote: Now i will admit i didn't read all of your post.  But that's only because Im a fat, lazy, stupid american

Usually the reason i don't ever talk about the war right now is because people who have opinions about it have made up their minds and don't plan on changing them any time soon.

    Yeah but I'm getting fat as well (must go to the gym)

I agree with you, it's a hot potato. It's still important and interesting to engage in conversation like this. Who knows, perhaps I might learn something new, perhaps you might. Such a subject deserves that kind of justice don't you think?

I read that article. It was right to say that evidence of a weapons programme has been found. However this was destroyed years ago when 1441 was enacted and he complied. This is why no hard evidence has been found, only a paper trail.

Also evidence of this is not reason we went to war. We went to war because he had "on-going nuclear weapons, chemical and biological weapons programme" and had a 45 minute strike capacity. These were all lies really at the end of the day to a greater or lesser dergee.

This is why Blair may well lose his job, I'd surprised if the Labour party are in power next election.

Talking about fairness though, what angers me is that he was sold the weapons in the first place by the UK and US. Scum-bag Donald Rumsfeld has been heavily implicated in this. In my view the question being asked should be why our governments see it fit to support and condone a madman one day and the next go to war with him. It isn't what you call honest, ethical, humane politics. Ultimately it's a waste of your money and my money.

85 billion dollars! All of this as more and more people in our respective countries fall below the poverty line.

http://www.philly.com/mld/bradenton/news/opinion/6910996.htm

[ October 12, 2003: Message edited by: Zardoz ]