Don't Ban Opera Users

[bankyfan]

I tried to log on to the site today and was blatantly refused.  It seems that somewhere in the page script is code preventing IE uses from logging onto the site on fridays.  Well now I have no problem with that considering on my iBook I use Netscape and Omni Web, and on my PC(currently on) I use Opera.  This is why I am now quite puzzled.  Why would I recieve a message saying that I am using IE when I am clearly using Opera 6.0 Beta?  I think the idea to block Microsoft users is sound, but has not been put into place properly.  I think measures should be taken that ensure all browsers, except for IE can log on during these random Microsoft boycotts.  I think amny others will agree, for I doubt I am not the only Opera user.  Now I better go get my iBook or I'll never get on!

[Centurian]

Hey bankyfan,

I'm not the webmaster but sounds to me like you have Opera set to identify itself as IE. Change the setting and that should fix the problem.  

Later
Centurian

[bankyfan]

Thanks, didn't even know that that option existed!

[ December 14, 2001: Message edited by: bankyfan ]

[bankyfan]

Ok, tried that, and am still getting banned.  The problem must lie elsewhere.  Thanks for trying though, appretiated!

[CommonSense]

We're having problems with Opera users on Fridays, too.  I haven't checked myself yet, but apparently, Opera defaults to identifying itself as IE (why on earth they do this, I don't know).  And some people have reported that changing this still doesn't solve the problem.

Not sure why, but . . . as I said, I'll get off my ass at some point and check it out myself.

[bankyfan]

Thanks, appretiate!

[emmetmcd]

had the same problem, however the liberal use of wit and intelligence which inturn empowered me to apply the same fix to the problem actually worked.  thus i recommend you remove your knob from your anus, try doing as told and then see if Opera works   )

jokin btw - it worked for me is all i'm saying...

[Fabricated]

That's a lot of trouble to go through just to piss off people who like to use IE.

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by The Webmaster:
Opera defaults to identifying itself as IE (why on earth they do this, I don't know).

Oh that's great... I wonder what percentage of the "Microsoft IE" hits in those browser polls/surveys are not really IE at all?  There are several other browsers out there that can identify themselves as IE or Netscape or anything else they want. I use Konqueror and like several others you can set the string to whatever you want but at least it defaults to Konqueror.  Of course there are so many incompetent web programmers out there who aren't very non-IE friendly, I just don't visit those sites personally. Konqueror isn't perfect but it works great with this site! It also has a lot of contol on how you use Java/JavaScript/Cookies, and in the latest KDE it finally works well with my Squid proxy authentication.

[ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: VoidMain ]

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[Calum]

Wow. Microsoft rulez (sic) eh? well, that's really relevant.

[kjg]

quote:Originally posted by bankyfan:
Ok, tried that, and am still getting banned.  The problem must lie elsewhere.  Thanks for trying though, appretiated!

In another forum, I was noted as "logged in" but couldn't post until I enabled referrer logging. Don't know if it's the same problem for you, but it might be. You might want to try this: If you're on Opera 6, it's in the "quick preferences" menu found on the File menu, otherwise I think you can find it in the main "preferences" menu under "privacy." I prefer to turn referrer logging off when I'm not in places that require it (and I only turn it on when I really *want* to be at a place that requires referrer logging to work properly).

Worth a shot, anyway.

[dbl221]

When you create a CGI(perl) script to display a visitors browser type you parse the Apache log files looking for certian strings...like "IE".

The problem with this is that most browsers do not correctly identify themselves.....most show up in the Apache logs as some version of Mozilla.

Then you have to figure out what the log entries actually mean....the next problem is that many browsers let the user enter their own description string...like in Konqueror.

Moral of the story is ...check those Apache logs and have lots of browsers handy to test the cgi script with.

dbl221****Comp-Sys walkin wounded

[MxCl]

When you set Opera to say it's MSIE it still has Opera 6.0 stuck on the end of the browser string that gets passed to those thingies (whatever they ares).

So Opera probably doesn't contribute to all MSIE counts, however the person who coded the section that analyses the browser string has to be clued up about this.

[Kage]

Seems silly to me to ban IE users, anyways.  At work here I *HAVE* to use IE, and if you say "change the policy" I will laugh.  

It's difficult to change the mind of the US government.