AMD appears to join the fucker list...

[trc3]

I agree with psyjax, but not just void, anyone who use's OS X will most likley love it.  Unless they happen to be an m$ fanboy.

[lazygamer]

Old habits die hard.  

However there would be no longer any point in sticking with TCPA hardware, it just goes to far over the line. I mean there has to be crackers who will crack the security just to get kicks out of it, there always is those "because I can" crackers, like to prove that nothing is invunerable. Though there work would have no good merits, no one who recgonized TCPA's evil would bother using cracked hardware.

[Crunchy(Cracked)Butter]

This being my first post i shall play it safe instead of getting flamed like the rest of the newbs i've seen register here before me.  Incidentally i've been here for nearly 1 1/2 years and never bothered to sign up, guess i'm a little lazy.

Since AMD has joined up with MS now alongside Intel, i've noticed people are looking for alternatives to those 2 chip makers as to avoid the wonderful new security features soon to be implemented by them.  Would VIA become an option to make future purchases or can you see them going with the crowd as well and thats why nobody has bothered to mention them in this thread (as far as i can see)?  

Looking into the future here on this one and i was only wondering, if this did really take off. Windows being the major platform and everybody running wincrap and being tracked by the likes of the RIAA can you see the major entertainment corporations making a target out of linux because (i doubt) linux wouldn't deploy these new features?

I suspect sadly that they would and make bad press of this wonderful OS, they could strangle its growth because the users of that OS would still have their freedoms intact.  Would you not think then because of this, maybe the bigger linux distros WOULD implement this feature just so they don't go under or not to be "compliant" (but survive)(if it became a standard of such) and then the smaller ones as well?  The last remaining few hunted down by the M$ Piracy Police because they don't conform.

It frightens me because our choices are cleverly taken from us because of rash desisions by political officials and Microshafts' need to rule the software world.

Another twist, would you think the likes of China or India would comply with this ho hum?  I can see a case for them doing so and i can see a case for them not.  If they didn't its because China and india hava a liking for linux and China doesn't fully trust MS or the MS way anyway, but because of this they could ironically remain being the last free markets in which computer hardware is bought and sold without fear of this Palliduim crap.  Which means their economy would grow and the western worlds would shrink because who would buy this crap if they can get if off China without all these security enhancements!?!

Needless to say China could go along with the rest of western world because with them being communists they certainly do have a penchant for controlling the masses and this could do them no end of good.

Anyway thats enough from me.

[lazygamer]

Newbs get flamed? Yes and no. There are alot of one hit wonder people that post here, and lose an argument or get flamed for good reason, and never comeback(UNIX SUCKS.COM!). Getting flamed often doesn't mean your blacklisted, it just means you fucked up for today. So all those boo-hoo newbs who run-away and decide to think MES is a mean community because they got flamed should grow up and hang around some more.  

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by Crunchy(Cracked)Butter:
This being my first post i shall play it safe instead of getting flamed like the rest of the newbs i've seen register here before me.  Incidentally i've been here for nearly 1 1/2 years and never bothered to sign up, guess i'm a little lazy.    

Ahhhh, fresh meat!  Just kidding. Welcome aboard!!

 

quote:Since AMD has joined up with MS now alongside Intel, i've noticed people are looking for alternatives to those 2 chip makers as to avoid the wonderful new security features soon to be implemented by them.  Would VIA become an option to make future purchases or can you see them going with the crowd as well and thats why nobody has bothered to mention them in this thread (as far as i can see)?  

I wasn't aware that VIA produced processors, but only produced support chips for both Intel and AMD processors. I would certainly be interested if that were not the case, or if they had future plans of creating an x86 non-Palladium processor (or non-x86 as long as it's affordable and comparable speed, hell it surely don't need to run M$ software). If they did they could become the next big processor manufacturer.

And I really don't think there is anything that can be done to put the reigns on Linux. It's a living breathing organism owned by noone or no country. That's the whole beauty of it.

And you're from the 51st state.  Hmmm... Puerto Rico?  DC? Iraq? Or are you referring to Jefferson in Northern Cal?

[ September 22, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[Calum]

quote:Originally posted by ThePreacher:
You guys are sitting there scared of microsoft. Well guess what, Im scared of nothing. Bring Palladium on. Im a computer programmer. If its the last thing I do, whether it is legal or illegal, I will make a version of linux that will run on this hardware type. I will find a way past microsoft's "so-called" security, I will do everything in my power to make sure that Microsoft never wins. There is no such thing as perfect security, and we all know this, so dont worry.

Crunchy butter, i don't think china and india will go along with this, example now all china's govt runs on linux stuff.

also, i think that it is too radical an idea to properly catch on, and i do not think the media will be 100% bashing linux either, it has got good press for too long now for that to seriously be a worry. remember linux does not need sales, it can rely totally on its own good image. linux will never die as a result.

lazygamer, you said it perfectly about new posters. I couldn't agree more, but i think the newbie-flame is in a way a kind of test. X11 (to name one memorable one) and many others passed the newbie test and many more actually post politely on their first few posts and so never get flamed!!!!! Many more get flamed and never come back after their first day or two, and mostly good riddance. This place would be the Windows BS without the cursing and swearing...

[rtgwbmsr]

void main: VIA does make processors. Their C3 line. They suck ass in terms of everything though...

I'm thinking of getting a SPARC server for my website...they only cost about $1k, and will forever be Palladium free unless M$ buys Sun, in which case the R&D team will boycott    

I have no problem using "obsolete" computers if the future is all M$ Palladium. I had a Mac LC (the original) before I "upgraded" to a PowerBook G3 Wallstreet last year. The LC had System 7, did what it was supposed to, never crashed and never fucked with me. Who said "obsolete" was a bad thing?

Welcome to the boards Crunchy(Cracked)Butter!

[voidmain]

If you are referring to their low end 1U Cobalt line they are running Pentium x86 processors and not UltraSparc. If you know of an UltraSparc machine selling for ~$1,000 let me know, I would be interested in the link.  I have a lot of Sparc/UltraSparc experience except most of the stuff I deal with is higher end (many processors, $100,000+ machines).

[RudeCat7]

Lots of things to agree with....

There's no way AMD will follow through if it means they will alienate billions of open source commie$.

Maybe china will come up with their own processor line, after all, most of these chips are made in Asia, right?

Only Intel is stupid enough to try this hardwired security bullshit again. They are totally hanging from bill gate's dick!

If anybody stops to think, security has become this big issue because windows has so many holes!

This is all smoke and mirrors from microsoft. They fail to take responsibility for lack of security, refuse to fix their software (because that would be accepting blame) and so they turn around and say that the only way to solve this issue is to create some new pathetic hardware security system.

Actually, I'm just waiting for the day when they announce that this palladium scheme lost microsoft billions of dollars, and AMD became the top chip maker selling "clean" processors.

long live the lo-techs!

[voidmain]

AMD is ready to go to bed with Microsoft at a moments notice. In fact they have been in bed with them for a while now. Even more so than Intel has actually if you can believe that one.

[lazygamer]

quote:
And you're from the 51st state. Hmmm... Puerto Rico? DC? Iraq? Or are you referring to Jefferson in Northern Cal?

I am gonna bet you 10 MESID(Microsoft Eradication Society Imaginary Dollars) that he is refering to... CANADA! The land of teh h4x0r. 51st state is a common statement known to Canadians.

[TheQuirk]

Void Main, CDW sells "Sun Fire V100 rack optimized" servers for $995.00.

Their specs are:
500MHz Sun UltraSparc IIe processor
128mb of RAM
40gb HD
24x CD-Rom drive
Two 10/100 ethernet adapters
Solaris 8

[TheQuirk]

Didn't citrix make x86 procs? Are they still doing it or did they stop?

[TheQuirk]

as for the link, it's http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?ProductID=360639

[voidmain]

Ahhh, I've never heard that one. Is that statement made as a joke on the fear of that happening or the wish of that happening? Not that there is much of a chance of it happening unless of course Canada wished this which I am sure they do not and would not. It would be one hell of a state though! Canada is already several times larger than all 50 states combined is it not?

[ September 22, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]