AMD appears to join the fucker list...

[lazygamer]

Well, it's not fear, many feel it has happened in a metaphoric way. Our countries mimic each other far more then most other side by side countries, especially considering the vast landmass each one occupies. Of course maybe Canada just mimics the US like a blackhole, never reflecting it's own distortion of the light it has recieved.  

Want it to happen? Chances are no, but Canada lacks a national identity, other then knowing that they are not Americian, and being extremely proud of that.  

[voidmain]

So would it be appropriate for me say that I am from the "Southern Territory"?  

[ September 22, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]

[Crunchy(Cracked)Butter]

Void main:  They do make processors and i think they bought cyrix a while back, they have got i think to 1Ghz in their processor line but they are really shit compared to the top dogs.  They are aimed by VIA towards the tech and corporate sector, but i have seen some unluckly peices of hardware get mashed together and sold to the public who think cheap is good.  Another interesting point, VIA went to .13 micron before AMD as i heard it, but thye don't copy the intel way of doing things.  Intel went from .18 micron then .13 just as AMD did, VIA came from .15 micron then .13.  I could be wrong though but thats how i remember it.

The 51st State is reference to a country, i've had it as my location for years.  Recently they made a film with the exact same title, it starred Samuel L Jackson (hint hint).

Calum:  If like 97% percent of the desktop population already run MS and then Palluduim is introduced its a near future, its a safe bet that that 97% would be trapped on what could be a closed PC platform (like macs but worse), linux users would be free of this mess but i cannot see MS or the entertainment industry standing by letting this happen.  I'm thinking along the lines of a law or they force the bigger distros into accepting this security feature,  MS did say they would show the source code so i'm assuming they might desire the linux platform to come under MS rule.
The government could make a law saying all OSes have to become a certain standard as well.

[ September 23, 2002: Message edited by: Crunchy(Cracked)Butter ]

[Calum]

yes but if the linux community comprises, say 2% of computer users, it's the 2% with the most balls and the loudest voices, i am sure.

however there is no good in being complacent, that i agree with.

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by TheQuirk:
Void Main, CDW sells "Sun Fire V100 rack optimized" servers for $995.00.

Their specs are:
500MHz Sun UltraSparc IIe processor
128mb of RAM
40gb HD
24x CD-Rom drive
Two 10/100 ethernet adapters
Solaris 8

Ahh, thanks for the Link. The IIe processor is a special version of the UltraSparc line. And it is not SMP capable.  I suppose it's good for small systems such as web servers. Don't know how good it would work on high end desktops or if Linux will run on it. It does say it is binary compatible with Sparc Solaris so I would assume it would be compatible with Sparc Linux. Here's the FAQ on the processor:

http://www.sun.com/processors/UltraSPARC-IIe/faq.html

At any rate, thanks for enlightening me. So far it looks like this line would be an affordable Palladium free alternative for as long as they continue to produce the line. I'm sure once Palladium hits the market sales of such chips will go up so I'm betting this chip line doesn't die any time soon.

[HPC GUY]

well 51st state (as *ahem* some people have had for a few months on vcd already, not a bad movie by the way) has had its title changed to formula 51 i heard. any how yes the VIA chips are formerly the IBM cyrix p.o.s and it is still a p.o.s processor. they are weak, the old cyrix pr processors which were marked at like ..oh..say..233 ran at like 166 when benched marked. cheap bottom of the barrel processors next to the 'win' chip processors.

[pkd_lives]

That's right Cyrix were total crap (something to do with a strange clocking system if memory serves me correct).

The whole palladium security thing relies on the entertainment industry really (that's where it's aimed for). And I couldn't give a toss about Celine Dion and Britney Spears' song copyright. The real artists in the world, the best films made, the best shops are small and independant. And when they realise they can fight it out in the big pool, or have 2% of the market open to them with people ready to listen, and intrinsically smart, then there will still be enough companies that are non-palladium compatable.

I am naturally worried about palladium, and I will fight it as I believe it removes your freedom of choice. But I don't think it will be enforcable on the scale they want. Too many people are turning over. I know people everywhere who are starting to learn Linux, using Macs because they are nicer (whatever gets you going). Palladium will be unenforcable in two years time. I know of businesses that have only one M$ computer, and use Linux or Macs everywhere else. I fully believe M$ missed the boat again. If they had done this in the  90s then they would have succeeded. I think it's too late. If someone leaves the market open then someone will come and fill it.

And the 51st state is the reference to an *ahem* 'Island' a little to the right (physically not politically) of the USA.

[ September 23, 2002: Message edited by: pkd ]

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[Crunchy(Cracked)Butter]

If this thing is out in 2 or 3 years then we must educate others into using linux or macs, take away ms's user base.

Like when fixing a friends pc or something say something smart like ..."linux would never do that", their reply would be something like "whats linux" then it gets the ball rolling.

I just fixed a friends pc of mine and gave him mozilla and openoffice, its nothing really but its a start.  Openoffice does the job and it'll work for him when he goes to college.  Once i get Lycoris he's interested in getting a copy of that as well.

At college i have got my IT teacher interested at seeing openoffice on my pc.  He hasn't seen it yet but because he knows i'm doing my college work on it, it must be good.    If you changed its splash startup screen to officeXP people wouldn't know the difference.

Recommend nix rather than winblows, but i suppose you guys have been doing that anyway?  :confused:    

[voidmain]

quote:Originally posted by Crunchy(Cracked)Butter:
If this thing is out in 2 or 3 years then we must educate others into using linux or macs, take away ms's user base.

Like when fixing a friends pc or something say something smart like ..."linux would never do that", their reply would be something like "whats linux" then it gets the ball rolling.

I've been doing this for years. But I find that most people are sheep. They just go "huh?". :/

[Crunchy(Cracked)Butter]

quote:Originally posted by void main:


I've been doing this for years. But I find that most people are sheep. They just go "huh?". :/

Don't you think now, linux has come of age for the desktop?  I tried linux 2 years ago and i didn't like it, but i knew i wanted to try it again.  But hey thats me i can only speak from my point of view.

[voidmain]

Well, all I can say is that most of the people I know are sheep. That is, no matter how good the OS is, they will stick with what came on their computer no matter how much they've been screwed over, even without liberal use of vaseline.

I just give them the information. Choosing to do something with that information is up to them.  When they don't, they are sheep. It's funny to hear them complain about their problems and I just say "it doesn't have to be that way". They all have heard my preachings over and over though....

[Calum]

my upbringing gave me much time to contemplate this particular trait of humanity.
I honestly believe that people choose not to change a situation they are unhappy about because the familiarity of the thing that pisses them off is much more important to them than the change of progress. They fear change.

 

quote:Originally posted by Crunchy(Cracked)Butter:


Don't you think now, linux has come of age for the desktop?  I tried linux 2 years ago and i didn't like it, but i knew i wanted to try it again.  But hey thats me i can only speak from my point of view.

Yes. linux has been ready for the desktop for a while now, it just needs packaged a little better, not much better, just a little.

Watch what you say though, whenever somebody says linux is desktop ready we seem to see a flood of people saying 'poo poo, windows users coud never use this complex piece of software!'...

[FatKidsonMopeds]

quote:Originally posted by TheQuirk:
Well, if it's anything like the x-box security, it will cost you thousands (as in 15,000 bucks) of dollars to crack the security. Not in legal fees or anything, but in hardware. The guy that cracked the x-box used a, erm, the word is escaping me right now, a "digital decoder" to crack the security by brute force, actually.

are you serious dude>!>!>! omfg thats gay. He shouldnt have done that NO NO

[Tattooed]

Wonder what the E.U will think of TCPA? I don't think TCPA/Palldium will be popluar when people find out they can't copy cds. If TCPA or M$ stopped Linux working on computers, surly compaines like Redhat or Suse would sue? I can't see them just sitting back and doing nothing.  What about Apple are they going to have TCPA hardware? I'm sure I read some where that Steve jobb <or what ever his name is> said that Mac would not have TCPA hardware.

[Tattooed]

TCPA in the news:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2094167.stm
At the bottom off the page- you can read what other people think off TCPA.