Free Speech...

[cahult]

What are your views on free speech? I

[pkd_lives]

Free speech means the freedom to speak/write your mind. The only times this is not allowable is:

a) Libel
b) Slander
c) Facts are wrong.

However the Moore guys article is actually wrong in one very important subject. The societies that have dictated control of freedom to speak/write issues are what you would call right-wing. I offer all known human history as evidence, you will find only a few exceptions to this. As a whole I am not impressed with this persons ability to cogitate. And he aught to realise it was liberalism that gave free speech/writing to the USA.

There are many so called liberals who would ban certain things that are freedom to speak/write, but they are not liberals if they support this. And he confuses Political Correctness with Liberalism.

The primary motif of freedom of speech is to be able to speak out against a tyranny or controlling authority - Legal or otherwise.

If a company pulls advertising and you see it as a refusal of the rights to free speech/writing then you are entirely free to stop supporting them.

Whilst there are many groups I don't like, racist, religious, anti/pro abortion/choice, I would never see fit to try to ban them. Their statements often provide humor in their stupidity, and are usually very easily debunked.

[Calum]

My religion leads me to believe that that guy should be allowed to say what he likes. it looks to me like the people who responded to the religious articles are like people who complain to their ISP that their internet has porn on it.

I think that slander, libel and deliberately trying to stifle somebody's point of view are out, but anything else is fair game, re: free speech.

[Master of Reality]

quote:Originally posted by [calum@localhost]$:
My religion leads me to believe that that guy should be allowed to say what he likes. it looks to me like the people who responded to the religious articles are like people who complain to their ISP that their internet has porn on it.

I think that slander, libel and deliberately trying to stifle somebody's point of view are out, but anything else is fair game, re: free speech.

your religion is all about being facist and tyrannical. If what i want to say inflicts on someone elses IP(integrational Polytheism) views then i cant say it or else i am a "bad person" according to the rules of IP.
and being an integrational polytheist also means that you basically are a sinner or an evil person in almost every other religion because i believe in other gods and i dont go by some of their rules.

[ November 12, 2002: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / B0B ]

[Calum]

quote:Originally posted by The Master of Reality / B0B:

your religion is all about being facist and tyrannical. If what i want to say inflicts on someone elses IP(integrational Polytheism) views then i cant say it or else i am a "bad person" according to the rules of IP.
and being an integrational polytheist also means that you basically are a sinner or an evil person in almost every other religion because i believe in other gods and i dont go by some of their rules.

[ November 12, 2002: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / B0B ]

while what you say is a complete heap of tripe, my religion in no way prohibits you from saying it. let's go through these ridiculous accusations one by one shall we?  

quote:
your religion is all about being facist and tyrannical.

so i am devoted to faces am i? what does facist mean? well, let's see how you justify these accusations:  

quote:If what i want to say inflicts on someone elses IP(integrational Polytheism) views then i cant say it or else i am a "bad person" according to the rules of IP.

so, you use the old chestnut of not justifying what you say, by heaping yet more incorrectitudes on top of it before anybody has a chance to breathe. Where did you dig up that heap of claptrap? there is NOTHING in Integrational Polytheism that says that anybody is EVER a bad person. There are NO bad people. Secondly, you 'can't say it'? you can say ANYTHING you like. the only real restrictions in integrational polytheism are not infringing on another person's right to be. This covers the likes of petty theft, murder, rape (which are generally not on before you ask) and so on which all infringe on somebody else's way of being. Saying what you think IN NO WAY stops me from thinking saying or doing anything, so why shouldn't you do it? Here are the 'rules' of Integrational Polytheism, now show me where there is anything in there that supports your spurious allegations. Also, can you please qualify what you mean by 'inflicts on'? Inflicts what on?
 

quote:and being an integrational polytheist also means that you basically are a sinner or an evil person in almost every other religion because i believe in other gods and i dont go by some of their rules.

i beg your pardon? that doesn't even make sense! Integrational Polytheism means you do believe in all gods, or at least you acknowledge that if a god has ever been believed in by anybody that that god might well exist or have existed. Integrational Polytheism is about admitting we don't know everything and conceding that other people have a point. Integrational Polytheism is about openmindedness and free speech, and if ANY other religions have a problem about that then it is THEIR lookout. have a look at this page, containing an email from the founder of your religion saying how he thinks Bobness and Integrational Polytheism are totally compatible. So i don't know what you're complaining about, and i suspect that the erisians and probably a lot of other religions are perfectly happy to coexist with Integrational Polytheism as well.

Ball's in your court. Honestly, MoR, i don't know why you bother!

[ November 12, 2002: Message edited by: [calum@localhost]$ ]

[DC]

Personally, I strongly disagree with Moore on his political and religious views, and rather have him not write it.

However, it is also my believe that, should he want to, tell whatever he thinks, no matter how strongly I disagree. This is the price I pay for being able to post MY views. If you disagree with someone's statements, you are free to write your counterstatements.

[Fett101]

I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it.

(well. Maybe that far, but I'd try not to make fun of you as much)

[Master of Reality]

quote:Originally posted by [calum@localhost]$:
i beg your pardon? that doesn't even make sense! Integrational Polytheism means you do believe in all gods, or at least you acknowledge that if a god has ever been believed in by anybody that that god might well exist or have existed. Integrational Polytheism is about admitting we don't know everything and conceding that other people have a point. Integrational Polytheism is about openmindedness and free speech, and if ANY other religions have a problem about that then it is THEIR lookout. have a look at this page, containing an email from the founder of your religion saying how he thinks Bobness and Integrational Polytheism are totally compatible. So i don't know what you're complaining about, and i suspect that the erisians and probably a lot of other religions are perfectly happy to coexist with Integrational Polytheism as well.

Ball's in your court. Honestly, MoR, i don't know why you bother!

[ November 12, 2002: Message edited by: [calum@localhost]$ ]

Operation Piss_off_Calum: Accomplished.

[Calum]

good comeback, sphincter boy!  

[lazygamer]

Well, the best protection against a Nazi regime is to allow people to think and say that the Nazis r0x0red. We do not make it illegal to physically kill or otherwise harm people due to this belief, simply because it is "wrong". No, we realize that society must follow certain core belifs to function, or it will disintergrate. We are saying "you have struck at laws that are natures laws, not the laws of some dumbass politican.". Many laws are just dumb, they don't really keep society together in this core way(like how the 10 commandments keeps Christians from being major sinners if they follow them).

I try to be an anti-societist(is that a word?), because I reject our current implementation of it. I must adapt to survive though. I know that there is alot of people at the top that are shitting on me and laughing at me, they are faceless and are full of conspiracies and other such evil.

Think of society like a tribe. Everyone sees face to face, people work for each others benefit. There is a simple ultimatum, follow the rules, or we can all go back to being loner hunter/gatherers and have to work twice as hard.

This is the ideal society, todays society is nothing like that. So when I see those anarchists(they are actually just wanting freedom from our current society, most do not desire to become loner hunter/gatherers) rioting at the next world trade conference, they are not idiots. They are merely warriors fighting the faceless demon who shits on us all and entangles us with hallucinogenic lies.