They're celebrating in the Arab World

[Doctor V]

The Arabs, particularly the palesinians have a new reason to rejoice.  The Israli defence force is now more vulnerable to hacking, cracking, and various forms of cyberassault.    Expect successful attacks to skyrocket.

V

[Refalm]

They waste their US aid on a company that isn't worth shit? They could do a lot more with that money...

[voidmain]

So that's where my fucking tax dollars are going?!? Keep that money truck rolling, right on into Redmond.

[KernelPanic]

Microsoft and the Israeli 'Defense' Force, my two favourite sets of people in the world...

EDIT - Fixed my spastik spelling of 'israili'.

[ December 10, 2002: Message edited by: Tux ]

[lazygamer]

LMAO! Oh damn, what a bad mistake. But something I wonder, would arab crackers who grew up in a poorer, less tech immersed countries(the arab world basically) really be able to match the abilities of crackers from richer countries?

Not that you need oodles of skill to beat Windows, but I just have this thing in my mind about suposedly powerful crackers from poor countries...

Am I stereotyping here?  

[Calum]

quote:Originally posted by lazygamer:
LMAO! Oh damn, what a bad mistake. But something I wonder, would arab crackers who grew up in a poorer, less tech immersed countries(the arab world basically) really be able to match the abilities of crackers from richer countries?

Not that you need oodles of skill to beat Windows, but I just have this thing in my mind about suposedly powerful crackers from poor countries...

Am I stereotyping here?    

yes you are. with the internet available to all parties, the only things influencing the development of cracking or hacking skills are time, motivation and the ability to understand the documentation.

So long as these people know english, they can read english documentation. they probably know other languages too, which puts them at an advantage over monolinguists. people with a political motivation might be more motivated than people doing it in their spare time, and people who have more time to research and practice will learn faster. These last two are circumstantial and you can see that there's no reason why somebody of one race might be better at typing text effectively than somebody of another race, all things being equal.

[lazygamer]

Well I was thinking more of countries that just happen to be arabic, rather then genetic race.

Of course this news doesn't bother me, I don't really like the actions of Israel(of course I don't overly come to the defense of the arabs either).

[KernelPanic]

Removed my off topic ramblings.

[ December 10, 2002: Message edited by: Tux ]

[lazygamer]

Well I don't come to the defense because:

1)I don't know the facts. I really really feel like there is so much that I don't know, that there is no use in stating an opinion.
2)I kinda thought people woulden't appricieate this thread being hijacked, so I wanted to not leave a lead that could be turned into a debate.  

Yo Tux, I honestly am not concerned about the Terrorist thing. I thumb my nose at the American government and a "I'll say what the fuck I want bitch, I ain't scared of you." attitude.

I just felt that what I had learned on the subject is only from limited media exposure. Now it had occured to me that maybe the Arabs are more in the right, but what if the limited media info I have is painting them as the victims(and israel as the baddies) just to create more controversy? Ya know, this is the shit that crosses my mind.

I am always willing to learn and listen though...

[Calum]

i do not feel the need to say i am not a terrorist. i know i am not one, and that's enough.

Killing is wrong.

Palestinians who kill are wrong.

Israelis who kill are wrong.

Arabs who kill people are wrong.

Whites, Jews, Americans, Australians, Brits who kill people are wrong.

Why do they kill? they have been bullshitted around too much and they no longer believe people who say that you can come to a peaceful conclusion. they feel (justifiably) that if they put down their guns, the enemy will come charging at them over the hill.

Who can blame them? If one side stopped fighting in a very Ghandiist way, sure they might win the UN's support, sure public opinion would probably swing their way and that side might get what they want... BUT IT MIGHT NOT. AND A LOT OF THEM WOULD GET KILLED BY THE SIDE THAT DIDN'T PUT DOWN THEIR WEAPONS.

do you see now why it's not okay to sit at your computer (or your oval office desk, or whatever position affords you the most authority in the world) thousands of miles from any warzone saying how other people are evil terrorists?

edit - sorry, i'm ranting too, but what do you expect when this topic has such a controversial title? and i didn't mean any offence to anybody personally so if you take offence, then you have a guilty conscience.

[ December 10, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]

[flap]

quote:Originally posted by Calum:
Killing is wrong.

Palestinians who kill are wrong.

Israelis who kill are wrong.

Arabs who kill people are wrong.

Whites, Jews, Americans, Australians, Brits who kill people are wrong.

So you're a pacifist? You think in no case killing is justified?

[xyle_one]

if someone killed my father, does that give me the right to kill them?? i might want to, but it doesnt make it right.

[DC]

quote:Originally posted by Calum:
Killing is wrong.

That depends. It might not be. And still, to say that something is *wrong* is really black and white. Is me yelling at someone in the heat of  a moment wrong? Yes. Is it understandable? Yes. Same with killing, only on a different scale. Learn to see in greyshade.

quote:
Palestinians who kill are wrong.

Not by definition. If Israeli soldiers drive bulldozers in their homes while their families are inside, I would not only understand it, I wouldn't even call it wrong. Just sad that it has to come so far.

Now, Palisitinians killing innocent civilians lies somewhere near the border of "wrong but understandable" and "wrong and just plain evil". Probably the first one.

This stuff is really difficult. Blaming a bomber may be called bad and evil, and usually it is, but people can do strange things if their family is killed before their eyes with *no-one* standing up for them. Not even the UN.

[xyle_one]

it is hard to see in grey. i understand the killing of another person if that person had driven a bulldozer into my home, killing my family. it sucks,  the whole thing is wrong, but i understand. the fact that someone would do it in the first place is wrong. says a lot about the world we live in.

[lazygamer]

quote:So you're a pacifist? You think in no case killing is justified?

I fear pacifism. Pacifism, a BAD move.