They're celebrating in the Arab World

[Faust]

Off course pacifism is a bad move - look at Gandhi and where picking up salt got him! Oh thats right freedom from british colonialism...  

[KernelPanic]

quote:Originally posted by Faust:
Off course pacifism is a bad move - look at Gandhi and where picking up salt got him! Oh thats right freedom from british colonialism...      

Although ghandi was cool it was more the work of america that lead to the colonies being given up.

[Faust]

Some of the colonies of course Tux - us Australians have to still bow to the freakin British.      
Although now of course we are bowing more to the Americans                  

I admit my knowledge of world history is slightly shaky (I do after all have a public school education) but surely the popularity of Ghandis actions had at least a small impact on the way politics played out? After all if the close enough to accidental killing of and Archduke by a couple of anarchists could (eventually) lead to WW2 then small actions can have a large impact..?

So far this forum has been great for stuff like this! I swear they let too many right wing nuts post at www.michaelmoore.com... and the last forum my friend set up got way too much hate mail so he dropped it. The bigest dickhead in the world ever has to be The Jackal... check out his posts at  http://www.kierans.cjb.net/

Also have a look at  www.rootingoutevil.org

[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Faust ]

[Faust]

BTW this topics subject line does seem to be a bad generalisation.

[KernelPanic]

quote:Originally posted by Faust:
Some of the colonies of course Tux - us Australians have to still bow to the freakin British.        
Although now of course we are bowing more to the Americans                      

I admit my knowledge of world history is slightly shaky (I do after all have a public school education) but surely the popularity of Ghandis actions had at least a small impact on the way politics played out? After all if the close enough to accidental killing of and Archduke by a couple of anarchists could (eventually) lead to WW2 then small actions can have a large impact..?

So far this forum has been great for stuff like this! I swear they let too many right wing nuts post at www.michaelmoore.com... and the last forum my friend set up got way too much hate mail so he dropped it. The bigest dickhead in the world ever has to be The Jackal... check out his posts at  http://www.kierans.cjb.net/

Also have a look at  www.rootingoutevil.org

[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Faust ]

No, Ghandi did indeed have a big effect. I was just saying that the yanks whispering (well shouting) in our ear had a very very big effect.

I don't advocate the empire/monarchy either it has caused much bloodshed, but I suppose it helped some.

I havn't been on Mr Moore's forum yet, but it sounds like a damn good idea.... Checking it out now.

[Faust]

Thanks Tux... not that im saying Brits are bad, nor Americans, I just wish my country didnt do so many kowtows all over the place...    
I would like to see the UK, but the exchange rate would kill me... One thing though (not that Im a sporting person) but man you guys suck at cricket    
And Mikes site is good... just that it attracts a lot of annoying the second amendment is the only amendment kind of ppl.  

[lazygamer]

Pacifism works in certain situations. I would love to hear about situations where Ghandi-like tactics worked. Didn't Ghandi just do non-violent defiance? Even then, that is only for certain cirumstances. PERSONAL pacifism is rarely a good move.

[lazygamer]

Whoa rootingoutevil.org pwns! What a great idea. Problem is, I doubt anything will come of it.  

[Faust]

I do agree lazygamer... violence is sometimes the only means to achieve an end eg someone is threatening you with a knife = shoot with gun.  But violence is of course also used in many disghusting ways - eg suicide bombings and israeli advances.  What non violence can achieve is popular support - and when your supporters find your cause popular enough to be violent or threaten violence on your behalf then you can hold that over you opponent.  Plus crippling politicians incomes by cutting off their trade can achieve almost anything.     Both violence and non violence can achieve an end but I think we all agree that violence should be a last resort.  On a  similar matter yes I am in favour of Saddam getting a bullet right between the eyes... but preferably this time it can be achieved with less bloodshed and some REAL support for any rebel factions in Iraq. In this case I would agree that violence is justified but not re:Israel or Palestine.

[Faust]

quote:Well I was thinking more of countries that just happen to be arabic, rather then genetic race.

Being Arabic is genetic, just like being Asian or Anglo I thought.  Ever seen two Anglos have an Arabic kiddie?

[Faust]

quote:Whoa rootingoutevil.org pwns! What a great idea. Problem is, I doubt anything will come of it.

pwns? Ive heard owns before but whats the siginificance of the p in pwns? BTW i found out why fuck is spelt fsck in 1337... because its a UNIX command right? File System ChecK?

Something may come of it. Votes are all most politicians care about and from 4AM in the morning yesterday to 11PM tonight they had racked up an extra 400 signatures... even Bush would have to admit that 400 signatures in that space of time is a lot for a site, especially considering that the only way ppl will hear about it is through word of mouth/email/forum/im.

[Pissed_Macman]

This little thingy on the side of the article page caught my attention.

 

quote: Jacob Frenkel

[Calum]

specially not since it's not legal tender in scotland, denmark, wales, northern ireland or england, but they're not nearly as european as israel, eh?

[KernelPanic]

quote:Originally posted by Calum:
specially not since it's not legal tender in scotland, denmark, wales, northern ireland or england, but they're not nearly as european as israel, eh?

Whats with Israle playing in the UEFA cup eh, they can't even play football...

[Calum]

(psst! and they're not even europeans, bu we don't talk about that do we?)